PLING Teleconference

 

 

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1/ Review previous action points

PLING Recommendations to W3C Media Annotations WG on use of "rights information" (from XMP)

<scribe> --pending

<scribe> ACTION: Add PLUS to list of Policy Languages --DONE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-pling-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: Discuss "Best Practice" IG Notes for eGov, Social Networks, XACML Performance testing, General Policy Model --pending [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-pling-minutes.html#action02]

this will be main driver for people to look at in 2009

AM: who will do general policy model

RI: this is on my todo list at the moment
... XACML is on Andreas
... social networks is with W3C workshop

RW: position paper that I will submit to the workshop
... representing social graph, we also need attributes
... eGov is Jose Manuel Alonso, working with Rigo

GH: W3C invited for workshop in Boston, but W3C not participating

RW: travel restrictions

<scribe> ACTION: Distribute W3C Social Networking Workshop CFP --DONE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-pling-minutes.html#action03]

<scribe> ACTION: Announce Social Networks XG Planning list --PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-pling-minutes.html#action04]

RI: so far low response, want to encourage more

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Media Annotations Use Case and Requirements

RI: they are looking at XMP trying to put into W3C standard...
... wanted to look us into rights information, it is in the PDF linked from the agenda, page 3
... we as PLING can recommend rights information that we think it is useful
... up to us to make recommendation
... sent us use cases, but not of great detail, list of things like sharing content, combine stuff, should be aware of rights
... 6.4 they mention PLING, they want to get feedback from us

RW: was present at their meeting, ran into an argument
... they had basic rights language, also expectation about
... we discouraged enforcement and pointed to ODRL
... asked them to add one attribute and they did refuse
... asked them to add one field with fulll URI to connect to ODRL or other policy

RW and AM agree that we should make noise about this

because it cuts them off of any policy considerations

AM: W3C WG called POWDER, it is also doing media annotations

GH: what about ID3

<Giles> http://www.id3.org/

RW: should hint media WG to it

<scribe> ACTION: Renato to send contacts of media annotations to Giles [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-pling-minutes.html#action05]

<scribe> ACTION: Giles sent hint to ID3 to media annotations WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-pling-minutes.html#action06]

RI: xmpRights:WebStatement would do the trick for URI

RW: sufficient to connect ODRL policy?

RI: they want to link to a full blown policy language
... don't know whether they just want to stamp XMP or really extend

xmpRights: Certificate
... WebStatement

RW: unclear how they manage access control

GH: doesn't tell you much at all

RI: looks rather poor,

GH: no kind of certificate

RI: marked boolean, meaning is unclear

AM: if we asked them to add some examples of how this properties are used.

<scribe> ACTION: RI to pester XMP group about more examples on page 31 spec thing and extensions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-pling-minutes.html#action07]

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Review of Wiki Activities

RI: PLUS policy language was added

RW: added interesting case about german data records

Jan: not involved in that case, small callcenters collected financial information and customer relation data
... nobody really surprised, could have happened everywhere
... even if you try to stop that leak there will be other leaks
... it is really no surprise

MC: increasing awareness on data linkage from industry and governments
... activities to review data protection regulation, increased awareness that we can't go on like this
... people from google and MS are asked to review to provide ways to mitigate the situation
... will send link by email to the mailing list

<scribe> ACTION: Marco to send link about review of data protection to mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-pling-minutes.html#action08]

GH: I asked last time and got response that they do not want to open that can of worms

MC: what is the perspective on high level of enforceable policies etc...

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Events: IEEE 2009 privacy

MC: focusing on policy from different perspectives, not only policy languages
... call for participation is out, linked it from PLING homepage
... some people in IEEE may be interested in PLING too

<scribe> ACTION: Marco to tell IEEE people about PLING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-pling-minutes.html#action09]

RI: MC is the chair of this major event

RW: link position paper from PLING once they come online on social networking ws

RI: everybody send information about events to PLING list

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Liaisons:

1/ SC 27 WG 5

RW: asked back to Kai Rannenberg, sent out liaison request in September and had not heard back
... Kai reported that they haven't received the information

Jan: was on the meeting, can't recall having had it on the table. May be processed in Beijing in May 2009..

<scribe> ...ongoing in three areas, identity management, architecture and framework..

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: put in extensions to allow for later plug in for policy work...
... Beijing will just in time...

RI: Primelife

RW: main thing is requirements document for policy language
... this currently in draft, we need permission from the project to publish a snapshot
... once we get permission, we will notify PLING and store it in the wiki for further scrutiny

PICOS:

MC: making progress in policy , work in progress, short overview from policy perspective, likely next week,
... will try to get some update from them.

ODRL:

<renato> model

<renato> http://odrl.net/2.0/WD-ODRL-Model.html

RI: ODRL group met one week before PLING F2F, working on a new 2.0 model
... updates to the 2.0 model, conflict management, doing a new version in Jan 09

look at http://odrl.net/

no TLR no concordia

Schedule for 2009, second Wed of the month

RI will go ahead and schedule next 12 calls

<scribe> ACTION: Renato to schedule calls for 2009 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/10-pling-minutes.html#action10]

adjourned