<JR> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0040.html

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20081205/results

Conformance Section survey results

<JR> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0067.html

JR: proposal follows the WCAG 2.0 wording. Proposal is in response to Tim's comments

Tim's comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0048.html

JT: Is everyone clear on the difference between the ??? and the claim?

no questions

JR: [Reviews the proposal]

JT: Can a claimant be an evaluator who is not affiliated to the product?

JR: Yes. The details are further into the proposal.

<scribe> ACTION: JS to add examples of the accessibility platform architecture to #7 of the Conformance claim [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Add examples of the accessibility platform architecture to #7 of the Conformance claim [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-15].

JR: #8 has been added: to declare whether each SC has been met. Does the group think that this is too much of a burden?
... There is an option to decribe how it has been met.

JT: Should there be a link to the definition of Authoring Tool?
... Should the note go before the description of partial conformance?

JS: Notes should go before, because they are overlooked at the end.

<scribe> ACTION: JR to reword proposal on Conformance to bring the Conformance Level note up to before the Partial Conformance section. It turns the note into an Introduction. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Reword proposal on Conformance to bring the Conformance Level note up to before the Partial Conformance section. It turns the note into an Introduction. [on Jan Richards - due 2008-12-15].

<Greg> none here

JS: no concerns or comments

<JR> Authoring tools (see definition of Authoring Tool)...

<JR> Used to say "Authoring tools (see definition)"...

<scribe> ACTION: JS to update draft to fix the authoring tools link in the Conformance levels section so that the link text is descriptive. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Update draft to fix the authoring tools link in the Conformance levels section so that the link text is descriptive. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-15].

Outstanding Action Items

51 closed

greg will work on action item 38 today

action 40 has been forwarded to Jeanne

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 40

<scribe> ACTION: JS to update draft with Jutta's edits from action 40. See email from Jan for details. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/08-au-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Update draft with Jutta's edits from action 40. See email from Jan for details. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-12-15].

Next heartbeat draft

ATIA conference is Jan 28-31. A heartbeat draft in mid-January would be done in time.

JS: We would have the conformance section revised. What other sections would be done?

JR: A heartbeat publication wouldn't require substantive changes. We want to fix the typographical error.

Alternative text for images

<JR> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008OctDec/0040.html

There is discussion in different groups about automatically generated alternative text. We want to encourage authors to use meaningful alt, for example, saving meaningful alt and suggesting reuse.

[review of issues]

JT: There is a proposal to allow automated generated of alt. If we know that it has been machine-generated, what does that do to other checkers?
... Have we ever reached a conclusion about the role of the authoring tool?

JR: What information should that format hold?
... it shouldn't only be alt, although alt is the most overloaded.

JT: What happens when the Authoring Tool presents machine-authored text to the author? JR: Won't the author just take the text offered?

JS: There are new technologies emerging that can generate good (but not great) captions for video. We don't want to block that.

JT: The issue isn't blocking it, the issue is informing the listener where the alternative came from.

JR: It was required in HTML 4, and HTML 5 suggested removing the requirement of alt for validation. There was pushback from some members of the disability community that removing the validity requirement would negatively impact accessibility.
... another proposal being discussed is the use of the attribute "noalt".

JT: Look forward to seeing it in a survey.

Next Meeting

Next meeting Monday, 15 December

JT: That is a holiday in Spain.

meeting adjourned.

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