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<John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
<John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
http://xformstest.org/2008-12-19.txt
<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0039.html
hello kenneth
<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0033.html
<John_Boyer> relevant="boolean-from-string(isManager)"
<John_Boyer> relevant="isManager"
<nick> I see, it only works for string(isManager)
<ebruchez> only in XPath 2
<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0034.html
<John_Boyer> relevant="isManager='true'"
<markbirbeck> sorry about the background noise
<John_Boyer> readonly="not(isManager)"
<John_Boyer> readonly="not(boolean-from-string(isManager))"
RESOLUTION: We rescind http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Sep/att-0025/2008-09-10.html#resolution1 in the light of this discussion, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0034.html and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Nov/0033.html
<scribe> ACTION: John Boyer to update onramp boolean MIP examples to use boolean string comparison. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-forms-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/modules/streamlined/index-all.html
<John_Boyer> XForms Transitional
<John_Boyer> XForms Basic
<John_Boyer> XForms Tiny
<John_Boyer> XFormsA
<unl> XForms Compact
<markbirbeck> XForms
<unl> XForms lite
<markbirbeck> :)
<kenneth> i like mark's suggestion
<Roger> XHForms
<unl> XForms Redux ;-)
<CharlieWiecha> for that last module, I think Mark just said it well: XForms HTML module
<CharlieWiecha> call it what it is
<John_Boyer> XForms for HTML?
<John_Boyer> is that what you mean?
<CharlieWiecha> kind of like just XForms HTML, period
<CharlieWiecha> i.e. "HTML" rather than "Tiny"
<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/modules/instance/dataAccessors/Data-Accessors-Module.html
<markbirbeck> sorry...lots of loud voices around here.
<CharlieWiecha> still need the next level out...Compact or something like that
<CharlieWiecha> for everything except "checked" etc
<markbirbeck> zkim, unmute me
<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/modules/streamlined/index-all.html
<John_Boyer> The XForms for HTML Module: Streamlined Expression...
<John_Boyer> Proposed name: THe XForms for HTML Module
<John_Boyer> Proposed Name: XForms for HTML
<prb> XForms for HTML is good
<CharlieWiecha> +1
<prb> +1
XForms for HTML
<John_Boyer> +1
<nick> +1
<wellsk> XForms for HTML
<wellsk> +1
<unl> +1
<prb> Mark is trying to speak
<prb> but having issues
<markbirbeck> it's ok...just trying to confirm that we are talking about the module.
<John_Boyer> yes
<markbirbeck> ok...
<John_Boyer> the spec currently called XFormsA
<John_Boyer> would be called XForms for HTML
<markbirbeck> I'm ok with it.
<markbirbeck> no...I can hear you.
<markbirbeck> just can't speak. :)
<markbirbeck> No...I'm here. :)
RESOLUTION: We change the name of
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/modules/streamlined/index-all.html to "XForms for HTML"
<markbirbeck> I don't understand...I have only used Zakim's muting.
<scribe> ACTION: John Boyer to rename onramp to "XForms for HTML" today. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-forms-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
<markbirbeck> John...I have been asked by the XHTML 2 Working Group to get the XForms WG to reply to this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2008Oct/0011.html. Would you be able to add that to the agenda?
<markbirbeck> Sure.
<markbirbeck> It's actually an answer to a question raised by the XForms WG, for a last call.
<scribe> ACTION: John Boyer to remove the namespace declarations and namespace uses from "XForms for HTML" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-forms-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
<markbirbeck> Ok.
<markbirbeck> Will do.
<John_Boyer> Changes to get and set form control values
<John_Boyer> submission attributes, esp. prune, source, target
http://xformstest.org/2008-12-19.txt
<nick> filter-relevant ?
<nick> sounds good
<markbirbeck> XAML tends to have attribute names that include something about their purpose...and I now realise why. :)
<markbirbeck> So it would be @serialise-preserve, rather than @preserve.
<markbirbeck> Otherwise we just re-create the same problem again.
<markbirbeck> I saw in another spec (SPARQL I think), which has the notion of "features at risk".
<markbirbeck> I think this is a W3C category.
<markbirbeck> I made the comment in relation to attributes that might appear in many situations in a document.
<markbirbeck> And the pattern seems to be that even if you think an attribute won't be used anywhere else...a day will come when it is. :)
<scribe> ACTION: John Boyer to add editorial note about names to source, target, and prune to XForms for HTML. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-forms-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
<markbirbeck> could you explain again?
<markbirbeck> Not backwards-compatible, I'm afraid.
<markbirbeck> Will mess up with accessibility.
<markbirbeck> Screen-reader will read alerts. :)
<markbirbeck> And help.
<markbirbeck> I.e., read stuff when it shouldn't.
<markbirbeck> Do you mean: <label type="alert">...</label>?
<markbirbeck> I also don't think that they are 'labels' semantically.
<markbirbeck> Sorry to be pedantic. :)
<markbirbeck> This is why I don't agree that we should limit ourselves to attributes.
<input name='ssn' help='Put your <b>SSN</> number here' />
<markbirbeck> But <alert> would need @for.
<markbirbeck> But we also discussed having @alertid as well as @alert.
<markbirbeck> <input ... @alertid="a" /?
<markbirbeck> <div id="a">...</div>
<markbirbeck> I.e., you don't need an alert element.
<markbirbeck> You just need _any_ element.
<markbirbeck> That's how many Ajax libraries work.
<markbirbeck> Point to a div that becomes a message, in YUI.
<markbirbeck> Yes.
<markbirbeck> I agree. :)
<markbirbeck> I'm only saying that there is an intermediate step between (a) using @alert, and (c) using <xf:alert>.
<markbirbeck> I.e., (b) use @alertid.
xforms4html4
<John_Boyer> www.w3.org/TR/xforms-for-html
<John_Boyer> that would be the short name to match the doc name
x4h
x4h4
<CharlieWiecha> xf4h
<CharlieWiecha> no prob
<nick> just send an e-mail?
<John_Boyer> Any objection to FPWD under shortname xforms-for-html of next rev of sreamlined document with actions from today done
<CharlieWiecha> go for it
<John_Boyer> +1
<markbirbeck> A +1 would be an objection.
<CharlieWiecha> (right)
<markbirbeck> "I have no objection."
<John_Boyer> +1 = proceed, -1 == object
<markbirbeck> :)
<wellsk> +1
<prb> +1 (or -1, depending on perspective)
<markbirbeck> +1
<prb> +1
<unl> +1
<Roger> abstention
<nick> +1 (but still think we need an e-mail )
<ebruchez> +1
+1
<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/modules/streamlined/index-all.html
RESOLUTION: After completion of the action items for today that we take http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.2/modules/streamlined/index-all.html to first public WD under the shortname xforms-for-html
<markbirbeck> bye everyone :)
<nick> shouldn't it be our short name instead of streamlined
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