W3C

ERT WG face-to-face Day 1

06 Nov 2008

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Attendees

Present
CarlosI, CarlosV, JohannesK, Mike, Shadi
Regrets
Chair
Shadi, Mike
Scribe
CarlosI, JohannesK

Contents


<carlosI> overall discussion about EARL as a framework or just a metadata language

<carlosI> JK: HTTP in RDF, Content in RDF and Pointers are not just EARL modules

<carlosI> JK: They can be used with EARL or other languages

<carlosI> CI: The name is also a problem

<carlosI> CI: EARL right now is just about Reporting and not Evaluation

<carlosI> JK: maybe we can talk about Evaluation and Report Resources in general

<carlosI> JK: EARL guide may also be a Evaluation and Reporting guide, including the current EARL and much more

<carlosI> JK: would drop EARL in the Overview page and talk about Evaluation and Report in general

Evaluation and Reporting

|- Guide

|- EARL Schema

|- HTTP-in-RDF

|- Content-in-RDF

|- Pointer Methods

|- (Test Description Language TDL)

RESOLUTION: change document name from EARL to "Evaluation and Reporting" to reflect the more general scope

EARL Overview Document

<scribe> ACTION: shadi to update first paragraph of the overview document to reflect the expanded scope of evaluation and reporting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Update first paragraph of the overview document to reflect the expanded scope of evaluation and reporting [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

<carlosI> JK: Guide should be kept general and the rest of documents shouldn't be presented as EARL subpoints

EARL 1.0 Requirements

<scribe> ACTION: shadi to remove "computational" from D03 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Remove \"computational\" from D03 [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

<scribe> ACTION: shadi to change "provide built-in extensions" to "allow extensions" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Change \"provide built-in extensions\" to \"allow extensions\" [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

<scribe> ACTION: shadi to merge D05 and D06 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Merge D05 and D06 [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

<scribe> ACTION: shadi to drop "heuristic" from D07 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Drop \"heuristic\" from D07 [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

<scribe> ACTION: shadi to check with i18n folks on D08 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Check with i18n folks on D08 [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

RESOLUTION: need to split between overall requirements for the "evaluation and reporting framework", and requirements for the EARL 1.0 Schema document itself

<scribe> ACTION: shadi to address that we decided that supporting persistency is not part of our current scope [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - Address that we decided that supporting persistency is not part of our current scope [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

<scribe> ACTION: shadi to address that we decided that aggregation is limited to what can be done without a test description framework/language [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - Address that we decided that aggregation is limited to what can be done without a test description framework/language [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

<scribe> ACTION: shadi to drop F05 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Drop F05 [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/issues

http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#abstract

http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#introduction

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20081106#introduction

<JohannesK> ACTION shadi to go over the namespaces, make sure they're correct

<trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Go over the namespaces, make sure they're correct [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

<JohannesK> lunch break

<MikeS> dialing..

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20081106#vocabulary

birthday - The birthday of this Agent, represented in mm-dd string form, eg. '12-31'.

http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_birthday

<MikeS> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/

<MikeS> Note: This is used for the ontology and authors must not use this role in content.

<JohannesK> ACTION: shadi to ask Ivan, if there are abstract classes in RDF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action10]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Ask Ivan, if there are abstract classes in RDF [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

RESOLUTION: 1- is to drop CompoundAssertor and make mainAssertor as sub-property of foaf:member
... 2- adopt foaf:Group to replace of the dropped CompoundAssertor
... 3- not to split the foaf:Agent usage (so that foaf:Group can be used just like foaf:Person etc)
... 4- merge SingleAssertor into Assertor

<JohannesK> RESOLUTION: drop test mode earl:heuristic/inferred

<MikeS> say something more about test mode - why is it needed beyond asserter

<MikeS> answer is that saves processing of asserters; convenient querying

<JohannesK> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-ATAG20-20080310/#def-Checking

<CarlosV> ACTION: shadi to correct in the schema doc semiauto to semiAutomatic like in the RDF schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action11]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Correct in the schema doc semiauto to semiAutomatic like in the RDF schema [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

<CarlosV> ACTION: cvelasco to check the stability of DOAP [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action12]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Check the stability of DOAP [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2008-11-13].

<scribe> ACTION: shadi to add descriptions for all the properties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action13]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Add descriptions for all the properties [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

<CarlosV> ACTION: cvelasco to remove oneOf from Outcome in the RDF Schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action14]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Remove oneOf from Outcome in the RDF Schema [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2008-11-13].

<CarlosV> ACTION: cvelasco to support Shadi in updating the RDF schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action15]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Support Shadi in updating the RDF schema [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2008-11-13].

<scribe> ACTION: shadi to update conformance section, preferably using the tables in the appendix (possibly with less columns) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action16]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Update conformance section, preferably using the tables in the appendix (possibly with less columns) [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

<JohannesK> RESOLUTION: drop appendix A

<JohannesK> ACTION: shadi to link RDF schema from the namespaces section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action17]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - Link RDF schema from the namespaces section [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-11-13].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: cvelasco to check the stability of DOAP [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: cvelasco to remove oneOf from Outcome in the RDF Schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: cvelasco to support Shadi in updating the RDF schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to add descriptions for all the properties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to address that we decided that aggregation is limited to what can be done without a test description framework/language [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to address that we decided that supporting persistency is not part of our current scope [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to ask Ivan, if there are abstract classes in RDF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to change "provide built-in extensions" to "allow extensions" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to check with i18n folks on D08 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to correct in the schema doc semiauto to semiAutomatic like in the RDF schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to drop "heuristic" from D07 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to drop F05 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to link RDF schema from the namespaces section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to merge D05 and D06 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to remove "computational" from D03 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to update conformance section, preferably using the tables in the appendix (possibly with less columns) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to update first paragraph of the overview document to reflect the expanded scope of evaluation and reporting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-er-minutes.html#action01]
 
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