SVG Working Group Teleconference -- 04 Sep 2008

<trackbot> Date: 04 September 2008

<scribe> scribe: anthony

<scribe> scribeNick: anthony

Action Update

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/2

ED: We can see all the open actions we have
... not all of these are vital to fix

ACTION-2024

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2024

<heycam> ACTION-2024?

<trackbot> ACTION-2024 -- Doug Schepers to add wording to the specification that content with circular references is not conformant -- due 2008-05-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2024

ED: Action-2024 might be important

DS: I think I may have already done that
... if not I know what needs to be done
... I'll be closing that this week

CM: When I was working on the refs section this week
... what was it about?

DS: It was about content
... to say authors shouldn't do that
... it was specified for implementations

ACTION-2063?

<trackbot> ACTION-2063 -- Cameron McCormack to fix the spec by aligning the script element behavior with HTMLs script element behavior -- due 2008-06-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2063

CM: I just came up with something this afternoon
... that is pretty much what we discussed
... and what Maciej said

ED: Do you have a link for the proposed text?

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0213.html

ED: I haven't had time to read I through
... perhaps we should wait
... that's pending for now

ACTION-2014?

<trackbot> ACTION-2014 -- Chris Lilley to review font-family selection e-mail, bring issues back to the group for discussion -- due 2008-05-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2014

CL: I've looked at that
... don't think there will be any changes to the spec
... I think it's just an explanation required

ED: Is the schema something we need to do before we publish?

DS: Something we can do while we are in last call

<ChrisL> Just explaining why we can't assume that there is a font with a glyph for 'a' on the system 9even though there almost always is)

ACTION-2107?

<trackbot> ACTION-2107 -- Cameron McCormack to update the 1.2T spec with the reworded section on progressive rendering and tree construction -- due 2008-07-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2107

CM: Was about when nodes get inserted into the tree
... when parsing

ED: Well if you know what needs to be done
... then we can continue

ACTION-2131?

<trackbot> ACTION-2131 -- Cameron McCormack to propose text regarding issue-274 (when animations can be interpolated) -- due 2008-08-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2131

CM: This one I thought we postponed
... I must no have changed the product

ED: I'll change it now

ACTION-2132?

<trackbot> ACTION-2132 -- Doug Schepers to propose text for UA indication in case a link is in scope -- due 2008-08-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2132

DS: Pretty minor, will be doing that today
... the same for 2133

ACTION-2148?

<trackbot> ACTION-2148 -- Doug Schepers to take up ISSUE-2031 with the HTML WG -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2148

DS: I did send something to them
... but there hasn't been a reply
... I'll also ask Ian

ACTION-2155?

<trackbot> ACTION-2155 -- Doug Schepers to add the keyboard events from DOM 3 Events to an SVGT12 appendix -- due 2008-08-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2155

ED: About adding keyboard events

DS: I've started doing that
... I noticed that we already have the stuff in there
... but we also refer to DOM 3 Events
... We said we were sub-setting things from DOM 3 Events
... I may or may not keep the sub-setting part
... I'll have that done this week

ACTION-2156?

<trackbot> ACTION-2156 -- Cameron McCormack to fix transition from DOM 3 Events to DOM 2 Events and uDOM, and to fix testsuite -- due 2008-08-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2156

CM: This one which is changing the rest of the spec to refer to DOM 2
... and remove DOM 3 refs
... I was waiting for Doug to be done

CL: DOM 3 Events is not in the refs section
... and neither is DOM 2
... I was editing the references today
... Element traversal is a working progress
... what's happening with it?

DS: In CR
... multiple implementations
... just need to create a test suite

CL: That's the only one that says working progress in our normative refs

ED: What's the status of the test suite?

DS: There is none
... once I finish my SVG edit actions
... I'll make one

ED: Ok

ACTION-2159?

<trackbot> ACTION-2159 -- Erik Dahlström to do progress event name change to Tiny 1.2 -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2159

ED: I committed the event name changes
... for SVGPreLoad and SVGProgress
... I have to ask Charles to see if we can get a common name for SVGPostLoad
... so I guess that's the only thing left
... I'd prefer if the event names were in some form of alignment
... I think it would be useful to have it in the progress events spec as well
... I'll be asking Charles because he's the editor of the progress events spec

ACTION-2164?

<trackbot> ACTION-2164 -- Doug Schepers to add 'role' attribute (and informative reference to XHTML Role attribute module) and to change the content model of the title and desc elements to be text -- due 2008-08-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2164

DS: I have added role and title
... I've done this
... but waiting for feedback
... on title
... from Dr Olaf and Jeff

ACTION-2174?

<trackbot> ACTION-2174 -- Erik Dahlström to remove the 'this' keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are put in the global scope -- due 2008-08-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174

ED: I had a look at what Opera is doing for this one
... and I'm wondering if this is a good action
... Opera treats the element handler sort of like script element
... but we don't bind this
... or the arguments
... it's not really like a function in Opera
... if you define a variable in the handler it won't be defined anywhere else

CM: That's different to what Batik does

ED: I can see the point to having it as it is
... although that's not what Opera is doing currently
... it could be changed
... but I don't know when I'll get time

CM: Would be nice to see what other players do

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/script-handler-201-t.svg

ED: So it's testing the keywords
... and scoping and so on

CM: That test the arguments?

ED: I think that was 202
... I would prefer if more implementers have more comments on this?

NH: We fail the first
... it's not equal to document
... I'm not really sure I'll have to investigate this

ED: I guess I can postpone this
... and wait for feedback on the public list

NH: Both tests?

ED: Yes both

ACTION-2176?

<trackbot> ACTION-2176 -- Cameron McCormack to replace Global with Abstract View and add the reference -- due 2008-08-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2176

AG: You sent an email about this?

CM: I did haven't had any replies about it

<heycam> http://www.w3.org/mid/20080903060135.GD21745@arc.mcc.id.au

<shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0206.html

DS: The last wording there
... that's pretty much derived from HTML5 right?

CM: Yes same sort of thing
... I guess it's not really necessary for us to go into the Window object

ED: What exactly is your suggestion?

NH: Your last sentence in the email
... we can leave but shouldn't be SVGGlobal
... necessary for us to keep
... current content will not work

CM: So they are saying gobal.document.parsexml

NH: We do that

CM: Could be left in without any problem
... if you leave that in then you don't need default view
... maybe we could subset DOM 2 Views a bit

ED: I guess sub-setting would be cleaner

NH: what would SVGGlobal inherit from?

CM: I'd think I'd prefer it not to inherit

ED: In that case is that enough information to go doing this action?

CM: That was not what the original action was to do
... it was just to replace Global with Abstract View

ED: Would referring to DOM 2 Views be ok
... subset that

CM: I has no impact on what properties are around
... just the structure

NH: I think I'm fine with that
... can you send an email with what you're going to introduce?

DS: Might be easier to make the change and send the link

CL: As long as it doesn't effect content

<heycam> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0206.html

NH: You're going to remove parent?

CM: No moving it

DS: Will this still satisfy the browser vendors?

CM: Don't know, but it will satisfy them more than before
... I could ask see what they think

RESOLUTION: Do what it says in the email sent Cameron regarding removal of SVGGlobal::parent, except don't add Default View and leave the Global attribute

CM: I can just continue my current action

ACTION-2179?

<trackbot> ACTION-2179 -- Cameron McCormack to move timer from Global to the SVG Module and remove the Global Module -- due 2008-08-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2179

CM: I did this one
... but I left it open because of the question about SVGTimer

ED: If we are keeping it I'd prefer it to be moved to SVGTimer

CM: The name does not change the content

AG: Is that ok?

NH: I'm happy with that

CM: What's the name of the event?
... SVGTimer is the event type

ED: That's the last of the open actions set for Tiny
... I guess we should try to decide a deadline date for edits
... Doug you'll probably know the publication schedule
... is next Friday ok?

DS: Shooting for publication date of next Friday
... needs to be done well before then, 2 or 3 days before then
... everyone should have action items done before the 11th

<ChrisL> publication moratorium for tpac

<ChrisL> 13 October, 12pm ET: Deadline for publication requests

<ChrisL> before moratorium

<ChrisL> 16 October: Last publications before moratorium

<ChrisL> 17 - 26 October: No publications

<ChrisL> 27 October: Publications resume

Test Suite

CL: I sent an email before about XMLRI
... I've finished that now

DS: Fantastic

ED: We need to make a publication of the test suite
... need to make sure the reference images are correct
... we didn't make any in the last f2f
... still a bit of work there

AE: Do we still rely on Batik to make some of the automatic reference images?

ED: I think so
... but you can drop any other binary in there
... as long as the syntax is correct
... we could use Inkscape but it wont work on any scripting ones

AE: Do we have an idea of how Batik goes on some of the new tests?

CM: Not very well

AE: We'll probably need some patch images made
... it looks like Anthony and I to do the test suite stuff

<heycam> trackbot, close ACTION-2179

<trackbot> ACTION-2179 Move timer from Global to the SVG Module and remove the Global Module closed

AG: I can generate a new version of the test suite and create the images

ED: So this has to be done when?
... same time as the spec?

DS: I'd prefer it be done before?

ED: I think we do have a bunch of actions left on the test suite
... but we still need to publish on a regular basis
... even if we still haven't finished all the actions we should still go ahead

AE: I think turning the crank on this

DS: Monday or Tuesday we should have the test suite ready

Removing Document::Implementation http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0204.html

ED: If we have some empty interfaces I don't see any reason to keep them around
... unless I hear something about keeping them around
... Cameron you can go ahead and remove them

CM: It's a pretty useless thing to have if there is nothing on the interfaces

AG: I'm ok with it

NH: I'm fine with it

DS: I'm fine with it

<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to remove Document:Implementation from the interface and the DOM implementation interface [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2182 - Remove Document:Implementation from the interface and the DOM implementation interface [on Cameron McCormack - due 2008-09-11].

Pragmas and extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0207.html

CM: I could find nothing on the web about these particular names
... who worked on most of the uDOM at the start?
... I can only assume there are some IDL compiler specific things

ED: If there is no definition of what it does then I don't see a reason to keep it around

AG: So you'll just remove it from the IDL?

CM: Ok

<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to Remove the square-bracketted extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2183 - Remove the square-bracketted extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL [on Cameron McCormack - due 2008-09-11].

ED: I didn't notice anyone with an action to do the change log
... and we cannot do it before all the changes are done

CM: Someone can start
... we were thinking at the F2F to add links of the diffs from the previous publication

ED: I guess that's fine for catching everything
... we also discussed getting a high level description of the change
... I did write a script for getting the diff version
... so it will fetch of all the diff HTML pages

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/tools/htmldiff/

CM: It would be nice if someone who has time to go through and do that

ED: I've committed a small tool for getting all the diffs

DS: Let me do my editing actions this week

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Make sure have the HTML diff marked pages from the spec in the changes chapter [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2184 - Make sure have the HTML diff marked pages from the spec in the changes chapter [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-11].

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SVG Working Group Teleconference

04 Sep 2008

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Contents

Action Update

Test Suite

Removing Document::Implementation http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0204.html

Pragmas and extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL

Summary of Action Items

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