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Widgets Voice Conference

21 Aug 2008

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Art, Arve, Marcos, Mike, Claudio
Regrets
Nick, David, Benoit, Thomas
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art

Contents


 

Date: 21 August 2008

<scribe> Scribe: Art

<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB

<marcos> Eataly! :D

Turin Logistics

CV: taxis from airport to hotel cost about 30-40 euros depending on the hotel
... expect mild weather
... Regarding dress code, short pants are OK for the meeting
... Be careful to only use official taxis, typically white or yellow
... Trains from Milan to Turin are pretty easy to take

<arve> marcos: you're difficult to hear

<marcos> Arve, will try to sit closer to the mic

CV: to walk from Art hotel to meeting location should take about 30 mins

AB: who is staying at the Art hotel?

<arve> I am

<marcos> I am too

AB: Marcos, Arve, me too; we can take a taxi to the meeting ~ 9:30 on Tues morn?

Agenda Review

AB: agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0445.html
... any change requests?

MC: Krzy sent some comments right before the meeting
... we can talk about his new comments

Turing Agenda

AB: I updated it a bit last week
... any general comments?

CV: can Telecom Italia send some observers to parts of the meeting?

AB: yes, that's fine
... I've asked Thomas Landsburg to do a short preso on Webwag mobile

Comments from Krzy

<marcos> MC: new comments http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0449.html

AB: any comments about Marcos original response to Krzy?

[None]

AB: Marcos, please summarize Krzy's latest comments

MC: a few of his comments are quite complicated
... e.g. IRI versus URI usage is a bit conflated and I need to fix that in both the Reqs doc and at least the P&C spec
... He recommends we de-emphasize "web widgets" aka gadgets
... I think we just need to make a distinction

AB: I agree we need a clear distinction

CV: during WWW2008 Art made a presentation about Widgets
... I think that definition removed "web widgets" from our definition of Widgets
... They are indeed two different things

Arve: we could call this a Widget runtime spec

MC: yes, that would be more specific

<marcos> Widget Runtime 1.0?

AB: people have used the term "WAF Widgets"
... that would now be "WebApps Widgets"

<claudio> Art said: a specification covering various aspects of Web applications that can be installed to a local computer and still access the Web

MC: I like the idea of adding "runtime"

AB: we would need a good definition of runtime
... it could also includes some implementation context

Arve: I think in one paragraph of text we can clarify this

MC: we have a lot of text already
... I think the problem is the Name
... my fear is the name becomes a gate and people don't enter/read based on the name

<scribe> ACTION: marcos propose a new name for the Widget spec that helps separate our model from the "web widget" model aka gadets [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-wam-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Propose a new name for the Widget spec that helps separate our model from the \"web widget\" model aka gadets [on Marcos Caceres - due 2008-08-28].

MC: MIME is raised as an alternative way to package the Widgets
... I think we need to consider this but perhaps not until v2

AB: I want to continue to use ZIP

MC: agree that based on what has been implemented, ZIP makes senese
... However, using MIME could help address some issues

Arve: I want to stay with ZIP; MIME has not been considered by Opera
... I would expect MIME to introduce a new set of problems

CV: I don't have any comments; I can live with ZIP
... I would need to see some compelling use cases to consider an alternative packaging format

MS: I agree with Claudio's comments re use cases
... Without some additional motiviation I'm OK with ZIP

AB: Propose: we stay with ZIP as the packaging format; we will analyze MIME for v2
... any objections to this proposal?

[None]

RESOLUTION: we will stay with ZIP as the packaging format for v1; we will analyze MIME for v2

AB: any other comments we should discuss now?

MC: I recommend everyone read his comments
... I will respond in due time
... Others should respond too
... I am very thankful to Krzysztof for his comments
... they were very useful!

CV: regarding life cycle and events, can you summarize his comments, especially if he is proposing something different then our model?

MC: I think his model is similar to ours but he wants to add a small addition
... He isn't proposing any changes to what I've put in the spec
... Just an addition

AB: so everyone, please read Krzy's comments and respond on public-webapps

Benoit's comments

AB: what is the status Marcos?

MC: I've responded to all of Benoit's comments

AB: OK; great

MC: I just need him to confirm my responses; most of his comments were Editorial

AOB

AB: please remember to bring your passport to the meeting!
... what are your plans for remote participation?

MS: I should be available for most of the meeting

AB: Meeting adjourned; see you in Turin on Tuesday!

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: marcos propose a new name for the Widget spec that helps separate our model from the "web widget" model aka gadets [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-wam-minutes.html#action01]
 
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