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<glazou> shepazu: hi Doug
<glazou> got my email ?
<shepazu> hi, Daniel
<shepazu> I did
<shepazu> I wish you'd sent it before :)
<glazou> yes I know, but I only thought about it today
<glazou> having next/previousElementSibling on Node would help a lot
<glazou> I saw that hacking mozilla composer today
<glazou> plenty of locations where we start from an arbitrary Node and look for adjacent element
<shepazu> yup
<shepazu> I can totally see the use case
<krijnh> Bert: What are you going to talk about at Fronteers 2008?
<glazou> ok
I don't know yet, krijnh :-)
<krijnh> Just spotted the announcement on http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/
Are you a member of the Fronteers?
<krijnh> Yeah
<krijnh> Board member even, if the ALV lets me :)
<krijnh> And I've built the site
<krijnh> I'm the de facto treasurer atm
<krijnh> -de
<krijnh> +de
<krijnh> :s
<krijnh> Yeah, me too
<krijnh> :)
<krijnh> Had to pimp my CMS a bit..
<krijnh> But anyway, just wondering what you were going to talk about :)
<glazou> shepazu: you want me to send that comment to the WG ?
<shepazu> glazou: you can if you like, but it might be something for v2
<glazou> no problem
<krijnh> (Hmm, are the logs broken for this channel, or did I turn them off?)
<glazou> but how are you going to deal with the fact the method will be defined on Element first and then on Node ?
<shepazu> in fact, yes, that should be on public record, glazou
<shepazu> glazou: no conflict... ElTrav v1 deals only with the Element node while v2 could also extend the more generic Node interface
<glazou> fantasai: yt ?
<scribe> scribe: Bert
<scribe> scribenick: Bert
<fantasai> Regrets from two new members from AOL and Boeing
<glazou> I was waiting for hakon :-)
Daniel: Regrets from the two new members.
<glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2008JulSep/0096.html
Daniel: Svante asked for
editorial changes in the CR.
... One is a link that Bert changed in the mean time.
<fantasai> seems reasonable to me
Daniel: The other is "character set" -> "character encoding" because the wrong term was used.
Peter: Have to check with CSS 2.1 that term is used consistently.
Daniel: Third change is a missing space.
Decided to change and republish
Bert: Edits either by me or Svante. I can do the publication.
<fantasai> http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-56
Daniel: Was postponed for MS to investigate.
Fantasai: Anybody object to proposal?
<fantasai> RESOLVED: text-decoration should propagate through table elements
Fantasai: Do you need time to review the wording?
<fantasai> Postpone decision to accept wording, need more time
<fantasai> ACTION: Saloni Review wording on CSS2.1 Issue 56 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-css-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Review wording on CSS2.1 Issue 56 [on Saloni Mira Rai - due 2008-08-20].
<fantasai> ACTION: fantasai review wording on CSS2.1 Issue 56 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-css-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Review wording on CSS2.1 Issue 56 [on Elika Etemad - due 2008-08-20].
Daniel: Final answer should be ready by ftf.
<fantasai> http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-14
Daniel: We need David Baron for this issue.
Fantasai: Bert found something in the spec.
<glazou> fantasai: really hard to hear you...
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Jul/0586.html
<fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Jul/0586.html
Bert: I agree with the proposal, but also think that in addition height <> auto means bottom doesn't collapse with children.
Fantasai: That is a separate issue.
<fantasai> ok
<fantasai> http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-42
Daniel: Seems we need to do this issue at the ftf.
<fantasai> http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-53 is probably easier
Postpone.
Bert explains proposal, need to distingush justify in blocks and whiet space stretching for inline.
Daniel: Seems proposal is fine.
Peter: Need to check implementations as well.
Howcome: no comment.
Sylvaing: Do we know what impls do?
Daniel: That would be good to know.
Peter: We may assume Moz is willing to change to proposal, how about others?
Daniel: Need test cases.
<fantasai> ACTION: fantasai get a testcase for css2.1 issue 53 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-css-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Get a testcase for css2.1 issue 53 [on Elika Etemad - due 2008-08-20].
<fantasai> http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-54
Daniel: Proposal makes sense.
Peter: Do we need to clarify *which* element determines the direction for the marker?
Daniel: I think the proposaed text cavers it.
<fantasai> Elika: I think it's pretty obviously the list item element itself
Bert: fine with proposal.
<fantasai> Melinda: So if we have a list that is predominantly ltr, but one item is rtl, it will put the marker on the other side?
Melinda: So if only one item in the list is rtl, it puts that marker on the other side?
Daniel: Yes.
<sylvaing> no objection
Peter: Is that what we want?
Daniel: Case would be a list with English and a few Hebrew items.
Fantasai: [something] does [something] [Scribe can't hear]
<fantasai> Elika: We have interoperability on all four implementations
Daniel: OK, so then the prose must be clear that direction is direction of list item itself.
RESOLVED
Fantasai: The text already has that.
Daniel: Or add a note with an example.
Fantasai: I think that's already there.
Peter: Use words "of the element"
<fantasai> Proposal is s/elements/list items/
<fantasai> RESOLVED: proposal accepted with change above
Fantasai: Cannot be done on phone, needs in depth review.
<fantasai> http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-60
Daniel: So action for everyone to review before ftf. Will be on ftf agenda.
Fantasai: That should be all we can do for CSS 2.1 today.
<glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2008JulSep/0094.html
Howcome: I sent an e-mail. Q is if 'pages' counter should be in Paged Media.
Melinda: We didn't have
implementations for it.
... But would be nice to be able to put it back in
<glazou> sorry wrong url
<glazou> correct url is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Aug/0120.html
Howcome: Let me ping Antennahouse
if they have an impl.
... Is the 'page' counter incremented automatically?
Melinda/Fantasai: yes
<scribe> ACTION: howcome to ping antennahouse about 'pages' implementation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-css-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Ping antennahouse about 'pages' implementation [on Håkon Wium Lie - due 2008-08-20].
Daniel: I saw a few request. Please send more (or put on wiki) asap.
Jason: Can you fix the time for the fonts discussion, so I can participate. (At a reasonable time for me.)
Peter: Wiki page useful for our planning. Add how much discussion you expect.
<plinss> http://csswg.inkedblade.net/planning/cambridge-2008
Howcome: can two local Opera people attend as well?
Daniel: Fine with me, but need MS to agree, they are host.
Saloni: Alex is away, but will ask him.
Nobody here objects to howcome's request.
<fantasai> Thanks, Bert
<glazou> thanks Bert!
<glazou> fantasai, sorry but I had more problems than others hearing you, all your words were cut
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