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<scribe> ACTION: steph to investigate the availability of a java applet to connect to irc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/04-mw4d-minutes.html#action01]
Jacob: we had discussion around the mission statement, focusing on accuracy.
may be we are not ready now
we should try to reach a level we are ok with
jacob: and then update it later when appropriate
<scribe> ACTION: Stephane to publish july 28 minutes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/04-mw4d-minutes.html#action02]
Steph: Lauri
Lauri Hirvonen from Nokia
primary interest: how to improve the use of mobile phone to access service in dev countries
active in different domains, like creating .mobi (more than 1 millions today)
very popular in dev countries
highlights 9 months ago at Unesco
more than 200 participants
and demonstrated the use of mobile phone to offer services
Stephane to initiate discussion about Wiki usage on the mailing list
Stephane: pending
Stephane to put the current framework document on the wiki
Stephane: done http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/wiki/mw4dframework
Stephane to publish last meeting minutes and update participants name before
Stephane: done
Stephane: raise awareness of the group existence. Jeff is doing is on different fora, and it is quite successful. So if you have a personnal blog, or if you are participating to fora which have prticipants who might be interested, please raise awareness of MW4D, and insist on the fact that it is open to public participation, and does not require w3c membership.
http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/wiki/mw4dframework#vision
<kiwanja> thanks
Jacob: study a case study
Renjish: few lines around describing a scenario before the bullets
<scribe> ACTION: Renjish to write a scenario around the vision [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/04-mw4d-minutes.html#action03]
Jacob: exactly, i will help
Stephane: i believe there are 3 areas: grass root/ institution/ entrepreneur
Ken: perhaps other categories
Stephane: orthogonal categorization
either by sectors (health, education,...)
or by categories of providers
Ken: mgov services
good targets
and see what are channels we can work through
Stephane: other type of services, not only mgov can be workable at gov level
Ken: empowering grass-root is the most exciting work
might be that engaging all channels is too much for us
ken: for now, underserved are not considered by government
Jacob: 3 channels have different approaches, not going in depht enough
<kiwanja> (underserved, i.e. grassroots are generally not considered a main focus of mobile4dev projects)
niche area for one or two can bring more impact
Renjish: considering different channels, all stakeholders have ot be engaged
solutions should be work accross channels
deployment on the ground using different players is important.
cooperation important
it can take multiple combinations
Steph: agreed but quite hard in practice to have grassroot talking to government and operators
Renjish: operationnal challenges
this is our goal to tackle them
First goal to come to technological solution independent of the channels
Ken: challenges are not only technological solutions
technical challenges, partnership challenges, ...
Ken: challenges of this group to find things we can do
Stephane: i doubt that technological challenges are channel independent
Lauri: good book: mobile internet for dummies
interesting for consumers
covers how to use your mobile phones to access web services
excellent documentation for consumer to access services
i will forward the references
Renjish: let's think about the common denominator
to work for all
Ken: agreed
ngo will use the lowest option
Renjish: ngo needs supports for sure
need of involvment of all stakeholder
Lauri: agreed completely
aim of .mobi
to focus on the common denominator
great initiative at W3C: MWI (Mobile Web Initiative)
and best practices
we should look at worldwide solutions that would work on all phones
renjish: mobile phones vs mobile devices ?
Lauri: mobile devices definition: always connected
nature: you carry it with you, and able to communicate at any time the user wants
Jacob: a pager == mobile device ?
Ken: laptop not mobile device ?
Lauri: with eg a wifi, it is
Renjish: portability and mobility, 2 different concepts
ken: we should restrict
should not includes laptop
Lauri: smaller screen and less capabilities that a laptop
should we focus on what on the market
Stephane: range from low-end phones till high-end phones and not more
Ken: nintendo DS in the picture?
Stephane: out for me, not in the targeted market
Renjish: cost is also factor. should also open to things like tablets
Lauri: agree, taking only mobile phones is limited, we have to be open
<scribe> ACTION: stephane to continue discussion on definition of mobile devices [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/04-mw4d-minutes.html#action04]