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Date: 31 July 2008
<scribe> Scribe: Art
<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0289.html
AB: any changes?
[None]
AB: new people include Bryan from
AT&T and Nick and David from OMTP
... What is your interest Bryan in this WG?
BS: I'm active in MWBP and DD
WGs
... the WebApps' Widgets specs are of interest to me in the
mobile context
AB: reminder that the Turnin f2f
is Aug 26-28
... any other announcements?
Benoit: our widget implementation work is progressing well and we hope to be more active in this WG
NA: I am OMTP CTO
DR: I am involved in external relationships; also have a mobile security background
NA: OMTP is an industry forum; 4
years old now
... it's all about mobile applications and services
... we have 8 operators participating
<marcos_> http://www.omtp.org/Membership.aspx
NA: we have mainly produced
requirements aka "recommendations"
... areas of focus are: application security e.g. signing
... also some reqs for browser functionality
<marcos_> http://www.omtp.org/Publications.aspx
NA: BONDI is the result of a
study we did
... reflects what our members are doing and others
...
http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2008/07/omtp_bondi_a_de_1.html
<marcos_> http://www.omtp.org/bondi/
NA: we see lots of fragmented
APIs and weak security
... "BONDI" it is mainly a marketing term
... but its about app security and secure APIs
... we are focused on reqs but specs are needed
... want to work with W3C regarding the specs
... i.e. want W3C's specs to address our reqs if possible
... we will publish draft docs in the middle of next week
... we have two WGs Interfaces and Architecute + Security
... interfaces in this context means JavaScript
... we realize the interfaces must be based on good security
model
... e.g. policy management and delegating authority
... also expect the "package" to have a clear identity
... we think our interests align well with the WebApps WG
... there could be other WGs of interest e.g. Geolocation
WG
... any questions?
AB: thanks for that intro
... I'm a bit concerned about the IPR commitments from OMTP
inputs
... especially since some members of OMTP are not members of
the W3C
NA: we are working on a concrete proposal on how to deal with this issue
AB: please include me in any related discussions with the W3C staff
NA: will do
AB: comment period ends on August
1
... will that meet your timeframe Nick?
NA: yes
DR: we will submit comments by the deadline
Benoit: when is the "real" deadline
MC: I can handle some late feedback but don't want to extend the deadline too far
AB: I can send a reminder to the WGs
MC: I'm OK with extending the period one week if necessary
<scribe> ACTION: barstow send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked to do a review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked to do a review [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-08-07].
Benoit: we want to use the f2f to finalize the P&C spec, right?
MC: yes, that's the plan
Bryan: what level of comments are
you expecting?
... thoughts and questions or detailed requiements?
MC: comments at all levels are welcome
Bryan: I am working with the MWBP WG to consolidate their reqs
MC: great
AB: the LC doc is: http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625
... where do we stand on Cynthia's comment?
MC: she is asking about the
relationship to the WAI Content Guidelines
... I agree we need a proper reference
... and I can add it
... here is my response
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0295.html
AB: any objections to the proposal I submitted?
[None]
MC: I will update the doc accordingly
AB: what about Benoit's
comments?
... I haven't read them yet
Benoit: and I haven't read Marcos response
AB: then let's follow up on the
mail list
... what about Krzysztof's comments?
MC: I am working on a
response
... some of the major things he raises are why we don't use
MIME for the packaging format
... also raises issues related to the AWWW and file
extensions
AB: should we try to invite him to an interactive chat/IRC session?
MC: good idea
<scribe> ACTION: Barstow work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat session with Krzysztof [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat session with Krzysztof [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-08-07].
Benoit: want to be able to
programtically change the Widgets' state
... e.g. programatically change Widget from "docked" to "not
docked"
MC: OK, I understand
Benoit: regarding R15 http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625/#r15.-
MC: I see what you mean
AB: I agree R15 should be MUST
BS: <clarifies his comments on Proxies>
MC: I've clarified that text
Bryan: I will send a comment re
the platform proxy
... by default, a platform proxy may be essential e.g. within
an enterprise domain
... should leverage the platform proxy if one is defined
MC: what about a per-widget proxy
Bryan: that could be useful
MC: any other comments on the proxy issue?
[None]
AB: any other feedback Benoit on Marcos' response to you?
Benoit: nothing jumps out yet;
I'll read later but in general Marcos has done good work
... when do you expect to complete the review Marcos?
MC: hopefully by the end of next
week
... if we get new reqs that could slow things
Benoit: what's the next step?
AB: the next phase in
Candidate
... it can sit in Candidate state for 3-4 weeks or several
months; we can decide later
Benoit: is the plan for P&C spec to go to LC in October still current?
MC: I'd feel better if we did not go to LC until there is at least a quick-and-dirty implementation
Arve: a problem with implementing
before LC is that the proto tends to stick
... I recommend not implementing until after LC
MC: yes
Arve: YES
<Benoit> yes
Nick and David: yes
Bryan: no
Claudio and Luca: yes
Art: yes
Mark: not sure; hope to
though
... If I can't make it then somone else from VF should be able
to attend
AB: meeting closed
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