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Widgets Voice Conference

31 Jul 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Art, Arve, Benoit, Marcos, David, Claudio, Luca, Nick, Mark, Bryan
Regrets
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art

Contents


 

Date: 31 July 2008

<scribe> Scribe: Art

<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB

Review Agenda

<scribe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0289.html

AB: any changes?

[None]

Annoucements

AB: new people include Bryan from AT&T and Nick and David from OMTP
... What is your interest Bryan in this WG?

BS: I'm active in MWBP and DD WGs
... the WebApps' Widgets specs are of interest to me in the mobile context

AB: reminder that the Turnin f2f is Aug 26-28
... any other announcements?

Benoit: our widget implementation work is progressing well and we hope to be more active in this WG

OMTP Intro

NA: I am OMTP CTO

DR: I am involved in external relationships; also have a mobile security background

NA: OMTP is an industry forum; 4 years old now
... it's all about mobile applications and services
... we have 8 operators participating

<marcos_> http://www.omtp.org/Membership.aspx

NA: we have mainly produced requirements aka "recommendations"
... areas of focus are: application security e.g. signing
... also some reqs for browser functionality

<marcos_> http://www.omtp.org/Publications.aspx

NA: BONDI is the result of a study we did
... reflects what our members are doing and others
... http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2008/07/omtp_bondi_a_de_1.html

<marcos_> http://www.omtp.org/bondi/

NA: we see lots of fragmented APIs and weak security
... "BONDI" it is mainly a marketing term
... but its about app security and secure APIs
... we are focused on reqs but specs are needed
... want to work with W3C regarding the specs
... i.e. want W3C's specs to address our reqs if possible
... we will publish draft docs in the middle of next week
... we have two WGs Interfaces and Architecute + Security
... interfaces in this context means JavaScript
... we realize the interfaces must be based on good security model
... e.g. policy management and delegating authority
... also expect the "package" to have a clear identity
... we think our interests align well with the WebApps WG
... there could be other WGs of interest e.g. Geolocation WG
... any questions?

AB: thanks for that intro
... I'm a bit concerned about the IPR commitments from OMTP inputs
... especially since some members of OMTP are not members of the W3C

NA: we are working on a concrete proposal on how to deal with this issue

AB: please include me in any related discussions with the W3C staff

NA: will do

Widget Requirments Last Call

AB: comment period ends on August 1
... will that meet your timeframe Nick?

NA: yes

DR: we will submit comments by the deadline

Benoit: when is the "real" deadline

MC: I can handle some late feedback but don't want to extend the deadline too far

AB: I can send a reminder to the WGs

MC: I'm OK with extending the period one week if necessary

<scribe> ACTION: barstow send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked to do a review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked to do a review [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-08-07].

Benoit: we want to use the f2f to finalize the P&C spec, right?

MC: yes, that's the plan

Bryan: what level of comments are you expecting?
... thoughts and questions or detailed requiements?

MC: comments at all levels are welcome

Bryan: I am working with the MWBP WG to consolidate their reqs

MC: great

AB: the LC doc is: http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625
... where do we stand on Cynthia's comment?

MC: she is asking about the relationship to the WAI Content Guidelines
... I agree we need a proper reference
... and I can add it
... here is my response http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0295.html

AB: any objections to the proposal I submitted?

[None]

MC: I will update the doc accordingly

AB: what about Benoit's comments?
... I haven't read them yet

Benoit: and I haven't read Marcos response

AB: then let's follow up on the mail list
... what about Krzysztof's comments?

MC: I am working on a response
... some of the major things he raises are why we don't use MIME for the packaging format
... also raises issues related to the AWWW and file extensions

AB: should we try to invite him to an interactive chat/IRC session?

MC: good idea

<scribe> ACTION: Barstow work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat session with Krzysztof [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat session with Krzysztof [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-08-07].

Widget State Change Events

Benoit: want to be able to programtically change the Widgets' state
... e.g. programatically change Widget from "docked" to "not docked"

MC: OK, I understand

R15 and R16

Benoit: regarding R15 http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625/#r15.-

MC: I see what you mean

AB: I agree R15 should be MUST

BS: <clarifies his comments on Proxies>

MC: I've clarified that text

Bryan: I will send a comment re the platform proxy
... by default, a platform proxy may be essential e.g. within an enterprise domain
... should leverage the platform proxy if one is defined

MC: what about a per-widget proxy

Bryan: that could be useful

MC: any other comments on the proxy issue?

[None]

AB: any other feedback Benoit on Marcos' response to you?

Benoit: nothing jumps out yet; I'll read later but in general Marcos has done good work
... when do you expect to complete the review Marcos?

MC: hopefully by the end of next week
... if we get new reqs that could slow things

Benoit: what's the next step?

AB: the next phase in Candidate
... it can sit in Candidate state for 3-4 weeks or several months; we can decide later

Benoit: is the plan for P&C spec to go to LC in October still current?

MC: I'd feel better if we did not go to LC until there is at least a quick-and-dirty implementation

Arve: a problem with implementing before LC is that the proto tends to stick
... I recommend not implementing until after LC

Turing f2f Attendance

MC: yes

Arve: YES

<Benoit> yes

Nick and David: yes

Bryan: no

Claudio and Luca: yes

Art: yes

Mark: not sure; hope to though
... If I can't make it then somone else from VF should be able to attend

AB: meeting closed

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: barstow send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked to do a review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Barstow work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat session with Krzysztof [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action02]
 
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