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<csma> Scribe: Dave Reynolds
<scribe> ScribeNick: DaveReynolds
<csma> PROPOSED: accept July 8 minutes
<csma> RESOLVED: accept minutes from July 8
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<csma> Axel, will you join on the phone?
<AxelPolleres> the number is: +44.117.370.6152
UK Bridge: +44.117.370.6152
<josb> France: +33.4.89.06.34.99
Jos, action-541, reviewed and raised issue of disjointness of internal/external
<trackbot> ACTION-541 Review bld closed
<trackbot> ACTION-540 Review SWC for LC closed
<trackbot> ACTION-539 Review UCR for next WD closed
<AxelPolleres> ACTION-542 ... CONTINUED, I try to do it during this call, I overlooked it.
csma: is the draft of rif:text critical path for LC publication of BLD/SWC?
Axel: doesn't seem critical path
<AxelPolleres> I am not sure about critical path for SWC, jos?
Action-517 waiting frozen version of FLD
<josb> no, it is not
Other actions continued
<trackbot> ACTION-533 Add explaination of relative IRIs wrt base directive to DTB shortcuts closed
<trackbot> ACTION-506 Make editorial changes associated with DTB links in BLD and remove editor's notes closed
<trackbot> ACTION-499 Add metadata syntax and commentary to BLD. closed
<trackbot> ACTION-500 Metadata to mathematical description closed
<trackbot> ACTION-498 Add text explaining external frames closed
<csma> next item
Test cases (action-440) to be reviewed in future call, perhaps week after next
csma: PRD has been reviewed and
just awaits publication, decide whether to publish alone or in
... UCR reviewed by Stella, also to be reviewed by Jos
... sorry, reading wrong line, not Jos
... DTB reviewed by Stella, also given green light, waiting for Chris go/no-go
Axel: also action-542, doing it now
csma: anything else needed before DTB publish? In favour of publishing early as possible since 1st public WD.
Jos: no objection, but doesn't make sense before publishing BLD
csma: but PRD and FLD also
reference DTB so it should be published along with the first
referencing doc that gets published
... SWC reviewed by Axel, and no objection to moving to LC, just csma review (which will be primarily editorial)
<josb> DTB has normative references to BLD, so it cannot be published before BLD
csma: BLD there is the external/internal issue and awaiting Leora review
Michael: need till tomorrow for FLD, then should be freezable
<Harold> For FLD "Freeze ok" we need till tomorrow.
Jos: if FLD frozen tomorrow night, could review by Friday
<Harold> Leora's BLD review should be based on a newly frozen BLD, as mentioned in email exchange.
csma: so if can get Leora and Chris reviews can get them all published together next week, in which case no point trying to publish PRD etc now only 1 week diff
s/reviews reviews this week this week/
<Harold> Only new reviews should be based on re-frozen versions.
csma: discuss issue of disjointness of internal/external atoms. Jos would object if they were not disjoint.
<josb> +1 should be disjoint
<AxelPolleres> I am not religious about it, we don't HAVE to impose this restriction, but it doesn't do harm either
<AxelPolleres> = 0
<MichaelKifer> I agree with Axel
(non scribe) 0 agree with Axel
csma: some discussions regarding
BNF, Axel questioned Const, csma questioned syntax for
... editorial since only the XML is normative
Harold: regarding Const, now
solved that, same shortcuts now in BLD and DTB
... regarding variables this is just a point of view whether the '?' is part of the string or not
<Harold> Conventionally, ?xyz should be serialized as <Var>xyz</Var>.
csma: XML contains the name of the variable from the original rules, this in some cases may include '?', question is what about the presentation syntax
<Harold> Ok, ??yz should be serialized as <Var>?yz</Var>.
csma: so need to change one
example in PRD to match this, simple editorial change
... was the issue of profiles being terms or unicode strings resolved?
Jos: yes, was unclear, now
settled on it being a Const
... and changed the SWC table following Harold and Michael's suggestions
<scribe> ACTION: csma to ask Sandro to do the new freezes as soon as FLD is ready to freeze [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-rif-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-544 - Ask Sandro to do the new freezes as soon as FLD is ready to freeze [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2008-07-22].
<AxelPolleres> I fixed ACTION-542 now. Could Stella and Jos have a look? it is very short, so should be quick. I fixed 4.3.4 and changed the references to the langtag RFC to [BCP-47] throughout the document (also in sections 2.1.1 and 2.2)
Michael: don't freeze BLD right
now, need some small changes
... should be fixable in a couple of hours
<Harold> We'll send email about BLD first, then about FLD.
Axel: completed action-542 now, so DTB can be re-frozen
<scribe> ACTION: Jos to check Axel's text for action-542 (rif:text moving to two argument constructor) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-rif-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Jos
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jdebruij2, jderoo)
<scribe> ACTION: jdebruij2 to check Axel's text for action-542 (rif:text moving to two argument constructor) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-rif-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-545 - Check Axel's text for action-542 (rif:text moving to two argument constructor) [on Jos de Bruijn - due 2008-07-22].
Adrian: need to find a way to
... it is in the Wiki version and works there but doesn't survive the translation
csma: will check with Sandro
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