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RI: reviewing wiki activity in last 4 weeks
RW: swamped, have lots of interesting cases to write up
RI: any major additions to the wiki past 4
weeks
... two new languages added
<tlr> PROTUNE
<tlr> ScribeNick: tlr
RW: PrimeLife deliverable
... about to be published ...
... contains lots of review of standards the project will try to address
...
... collection of policy languages ...
... have to see whether we have all of these in that list ...
... and also whether there are additions in the PrimeLife list ...
RI: Analysis as well as just documenting?
RW: Not a deep analysis
... just adds some explanation of what these do ...
... still lots of pages ...
MCM: Description of successful use cases? pros/cons?
RW: Good idea, but we haven't done that yet
... maybe if we ever come across implementation, let's add that to wiki
...
HT: Think Implementation itself is nice ...
... deployment is the crucial part ...
... I worked on a specific protocol that's widely implemented ...
... but in fact not widely deployed ...
RW: Interesting
HT: Protocol is diameter
... it's a AAA protocol ...
... 26 implementations, but hardly any use ...
... implementations are interesting, but it doesn't help ..
... understand why things are not successful wrt deployment ...
MCM: important to consider deployment
HT: Hard to get by with that information about deployments
RW: Hard work indeed.
RI: Looking forward to PrimeLife report
MCM: Public deliverable?
RW: In the loop for publication clearance
RI: </languages>
... No new use cases added that I've seen.
... anything new from Marco?
MCM: Haven't seen anything extremely
different
... main driver is how to deal with multiple languages in different contexts
...
... big theme in HP ...
... talking to some of the business groups ...
... common context is heterogeneous ...
... environments with enforcement and decision points at different points of
the stack ...
... conservative approach to change ...
... any compelling way to combine / compare different policies ...
... check for inconsistencies ...
... update consistently ...
RI: Reviewing other sections of wiki, not much new
RW: What's PROTUNE about?
RI: There's a link from the wiki. Don't know it in detail.
RW: Picos?
MCM: Trying to get people to join these calls, but conflict today.
re PROTUNE: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/Concrete_examples_given_in_Protune
RW: share information on pling mailing list?
-- scribe takes break --
MCM: (PICOS summary)
<rigo> http://www.picos-project.eu/
RI: Please update the wiki. If you make major changes, please alert the list.
RI: ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC 27 WG5?
RW: Talked to convener two weeks ago.
... have to submit paper
... access to documents, excuse for publication of specs
... I'm tracking the action already.
RI: PrimeLife?
RW: I'd love to get Jan C on these calls.
... tlr, bug him?
<scribe> ACTION: tlr to bug JanC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/09-pling-minutes.html#action01]
RI: Concordia?
TR: No news, sorry.
MCM: Started by Liberty, interoperability for FIM
<renato> ACTION: rigo liaison letter to SC27/Wg5 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/09-pling-minutes.html#action02]
MCM: Monitoring
... not sure contact needs to be created from scratch ...
... it's been launched by liberty alliance; purpose is to be independence
...
... name says it all ...
TR: Maybe best to approach them in the context of broader conversation with Liberty.
RI: ok, let's keep it on the back-burner
... anything else we should be looking at?
RW: I saw something about ODRL and
microformats...
... one of the chairs is a good liaison candidates ..
<scribe> ACTION: Renato to put in material re ODRL and microformat-representation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/09-pling-minutes.html#action03]
RW: Negation in ODRL?
RI: ODRL 2
RW: How is it modelled?
RI: actions, prohibitions, high-level
... modeling side, don't have the answer yet ...
... things have been a bit slow on ODRL front ...
... not getting much of a push from market or industry ...
... to put out v2 quickly ...
RW: Understandable.
RI: Happy to report on ODRL here.
... anything else?
MCM: infocard foundation as been created
... could be interesting to do liaison ...
... suspect exploration of policiese to handle infocards ...
... back-end management of infocards ...
RI: f2f meeting proposal for TPAC
... 23/24 October ...
... That's Thu/Fri of that week ...
... we have a room scheduled ...
... have to get back to them and say "yes, we want" ...
... (or "no") ...
... need to decide quickly whether to go ahead with f2f ...
... if it's not of interest, we should W3C that resource can be released
...
RW: Understand RI won't be able to come?
RI: 80% probability that I can come
... depends on external factors ...
... lookign reasonably well that I could make it ...
... issue is how many other people are here ...
RW: Think one of the chairs should raise things
on the mailing list ...
... TR and I will care for having people invited where needed, and all that
...
<scribe> ACTION: RI to poll group about TPAC attendance [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/09-pling-minutes.html#action04]
RW: Maybe raise in ac-forum?
... we can't issue another call for participation ...
... maybe also in chairs ...
... maybe meeting the experts might be useful for other groups ...
RI: Happy to draft e-mail to ac-forum to highlight that ...
RW: 95 subscribers on mailing list
... maybe we can get some feedback ...
RI: Will send something soon.
RW: Agenda important.
RI: anything else on f2f?
... Also, IEEE policy 2008
... to occur, has occured?
MCM: I raised this point last time to ask if
anybody here was there
... don't know that we've anything relevant ...
RW: Maybe ask on mailing list?
MCM: good idea
RI: Interesting papers.
<renato> Paper from IEEE Policy <http://www.usukita.org/?q=node/183>
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: the charter is extended
through June 2009 ...
... thanks to Rigo ...
RW: Meeting at barrier reef!
... preferably in winter ...
RI: So, we're here for another year
... any other other business
<boabjohn> Many apologies: more progress on usecases next meeting
RI: next meeting scheduled for 13 August
... same time ...
<rigo> 13
RI: telco is scheduled monthly
... adjourned