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Widgets Voice Conference

12 Jun 2008

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Art, Arve, Claudio, Marcos, Mike
Regrets
Chair
Art
Scribe
ArtB

Contents


 

 

<Hixie> any chance we can merge http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/webapi/ into http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/ ?

<shepazu> yes, I think that's possible

<shepazu> question is, what to also do with the WAF tracker?

<shepazu> do we want to move them over with exactly the same issue/action numbers, or is the content alone enough?

<Hixie> no idea

hmmm; Marcos, where art thou?

<arve> having trouble calling in

<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB

Date: 12 June 2008

Agenda Review

AB: any change requests?

[None]

Announcements

AB: transition to WebApps WG is complete

MC: I'm glad this finally happened!

AB: any concerns or issues?

MC: I'm a bit concerned about the volume of email
... perhaps we should split up the specs into different mail lists

ABe: if you were subscribed to both waf and webapi the change should be zero

MC: agree but I wasn't subscribed to webapi

AB: agree with Marcos concern
... but would prefer to wait and see

MS: I also have the same concern
... agree we should take a wait and see for now
... an extreme is a list per spec
... but that creates a different set of probs

CV: I also agree with the mail list issue
... we are especially interested in Widgets and we do not want to see that disrupted

MS: I can take an action to monitor the lists for one month and then make a recommendation

<scribe> ACTION: Smith monitor the webapps mail list for one month and then make a recommendation about the number of lists to use [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-webapps-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Monitor the webapps mail list for one month and then make a recommendation about the number of lists to use [on Michael(tm) Smith - due 2008-06-19].

<MikeSmith> ACTION-3 due July 12

<trackbot> ACTION-3 Monitor the webapps mail list for one month and then make a recommendation about the number of lists to use due date now July 12

AB: make sure everyone joins the new WG
... what is your status?

MC: I am working with Mike to become an Invited Expert

AB: I'd be happy to provide input to support this; just let me know

MS: I don't anticipate any probs

Requirements Last Call

AB: Marcos would like to discuss the Requirements Last Call

MC: the document has mostly settled down
... few changes recently
... we've had plenty of internal review
... want to get more Public review

AB: any comments?

ABe: I think that would be the right move

CV: I agree the doc is ready for LC

MS: I support requesting LC

AB: I have a few editorial requests but I support moving to LC
... first, I want to say I think this document has been an excellent way for us to communicate the scope and what we are trying to do.
... the Status of the Doc needs to reflect the change to WebApps WG

MC: yes, I'll make those changes

<marcos_> ACTION: Marcos to update the Requirements document to reflect WebApps WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-webapps-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Marcos

<marcos_> ACTION: Caceres to update the Requirements document to reflect WebApps WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-webapps-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Caceres

AB: there is a related change that needs to be made in Section 2

<marcos_> Ah, not a member yet

<marcos_> :P

AB: one question about paragraph #2 in Section 2
... can you clarify what is being said
... <http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-reqs/#conformance>

MC: this is about an input from some company
... for example an input on security model should be based on one or more of the requirements

AB: I would prefer to delete the second sentence
... any other opinions?
... based on Marcos' description, I can live with this

MC: OK

CV: I think this sentence says Widgets can be re-specified but if they are, they should reflect these requirements

AB: the doc used to say something like "not all of these reqs will necessarily be specified by the W3C". Is this disclaimer still in there?

MC: yes, by the use of Keywords
... I will add a comment

CV: regarding the Abstract, we are a bit weak regarding device capabilities
... req #29 is the only related requirement

MC: good point

AB: what do you think we should do?
... or was this more of an observation?

CV: we could add a pointer to the UWA WG's work

MC: but we don't want create any device API specs

AB: does the Rational of req 29 address your concern?

CV: yes, now that I read the Rational I think that addresses the issue

MC: and I can remove some of the device-specific use cases/examples from the Abstract
... I prefer to leave the text as is

ABe: the reality is widgets will have to deal with vendor-specific and device-specifc APIs
... but I don't think doing such is in our scope
... it could be some abstract bindings would be helpful

MC: need a generic means to tie into device and vendor specific APIs

ABe: we could then refer to them as "3rd-party" APIs

AB: are you going to do a major rework of #29?

MC: yes

AB: I would like to give the WG a 1-week review period
... if we want to target June 19 as the Decision Day, we would need a revised version within the next day or so
... Marcos, is that doable?

MC: yes

AB: working assumption: Marcos will make his changes and then notify the WG that we want to make a decsion on June 19 regarding LC so WG members should submit any comments by June 18 at the latest
... any objections?

[None]

User Agent Conformance

AB: comments from FT's Fabrice

MC: I've answered that

Turin F2F

CV: I will miss the next couple of calls
... all of the arrangements are made
... in mid to late July I will send out some hotel info

AB: the hotel info would be good to get earlier

ABe: yes, I also would like to get the hotel info earlier

CV: Turin usually is not that busy in August
... I will try to send something by the end of today

AB: you have some comments on the format?

MC: want to be in a position to close issues
... so we can be in a position to get to LC in October

ABe: could be helpful to spit into groups for the editorial type stuff

MC: in small groups we could also do some implementations
... I've found that useful

AB: agree, but not sure that some of the people that attend the meeting have the right skill set for implementations

ABe: we could set up an implemenation area on the W3C's CVS repository

CV: we are trying to implement something
... perhaps we can get those people involved

MC: we could have some people doing Editorial work and some doing Impl work
... I can do some research on how to most effectively make use of people's time
... I thought Hixie's un-conf approach for HTML went well
... (at the TPAC in November 2007)

<scribe> ACTION: Barstow work with Marcos et al. on the Turin agenda that maximizes the use of people's time [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-webapps-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Work with Marcos et al. on the Turin agenda that maximizes the use of people's time [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-06-19].

AB: Meeting adjourned

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Barstow work with Marcos et al. on the Turin agenda that maximizes the use of people's time [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-webapps-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Caceres to update the Requirements document to reflect WebApps WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-webapps-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Marcos to update the Requirements document to reflect WebApps WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-webapps-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Smith monitor the webapps mail list for one month and then make a recommendation about the number of lists to use [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-webapps-minutes.html#action01]
 
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