See also: IRC log
Dom: pretty good feedback from various people, quite a good outreach
Wilhelm: reading blogs, most people seemed interested to know which browsers passed or not
<dom_scribe> First results of Web Compatibility Test
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the https:// test [CLOSED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
Dom: W3C doesn't have an
appropriate HTTPs server
... suggest we keep it as is for now, given that it probably doesn't affect so many people
<dom_scribe> Leveraging WURFL with WCTMB
<scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [DROPPED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
Dom: don't think we can interface
the WCTMB with WURLF, given that the data are not collected in
a machine readable format
... maybe we could do that with the test harness, though
... will reply to the commenter
ACTION: Wilhelm to check the test for "contenteditable attribute" [CLOSED]
<dom_scribe> Fixing contenteditable attribute
<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable bug [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
Dom: we can use PHP on the main W3C server (www.w3.org), but then we would lose the advantage of the public CVS repository; I'll look to see if I can find a way to have the test served from www.w3.org directly from the repository, with the user agent string automatically added.
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user agent appearing [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
<hendry> sidenote: what is the cvs checkout url for the test? was looking for it earlier and couldn't find it. cvsweb would be good too.
Wilhelm: given that we only test superficially most technologies, the idea was to link to further testing from the documentation; I've provided an example of what I had in mind for the first two tests.
Dom: looks good to me
Wilhelm: I'll complete the list, then.
<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look at a mapping scheme from test to specs and test suites. [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
Kai: I discussed it with Wilhelm last week - I now agree with Wilhelm
Wilhelm: various browsers have moved away to rely on @media handheld; webkit doesn't, opera doesn't by default; so, our stylesheet is associated with the media handheld, but we don't test that browsers specifically apply the @media handheld
Dom: I think it's a bit of a pity that browsers have gone away from supporting this, but I think it's probably OK we don't push for it given that we test for css media queries
Kai: the CSS test that we have about min-width, is it how people detect fullscreen nowadays?
Dom: that's CSS Media Queries - that's what e.g. the IPhone uses to have iphone-specific stylesheets
<dom_scribe> a possible test for inputmode
Wilhelm: I'm all for it, but I'm a bit worried that Opera would be shown as passing it, while it doesn't really implement it
Dom: we could put a caveat in the documentation about how superficial the test is
Wilhelm: I vote for including
Kai: I'd like to test it for a week or so
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
<dom_scribe> slightly more difficult svg tests
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
Kai: I was hoping to work around
the problem through the use of unicode characters
... but there are probably much more unicode-blind people than color-blind :)
dom: we could offer a separate
version - e.g. in black and white
... by providing a separate style sheet
Kai: it's not only the style sheet - there are the images too
dom: we could have the images automatically generated
wilhelm: we have the same problem
... a separate version sounds good
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version of the tests with a different color scheme [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
Wilhem: If we include the inputmode test, we'll need 3 more tests to get a good looking grid
Kai: I'm thinking of helping advertising the test
<dom_scribe> Blog post on WCTMB
Kai: will try to get it covered by a couple of news sites
Wilhelm: could we ask for feedback on the blog?
Kai: has anyone contacted Ian Hickson?
Wilhelm: I did, but didn't get any concrete suggestions
Dom: I'll ask for additional suggests in a blog post. Not too hopeful about getting concrete suggestions, but it doesn't hurt anyway.
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING]
Dom: I requested the extension, and I expect it'll be announced any day now.