W3C

MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf

03 Jun 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Carmelo, Dom, Wilhelm, KaiHendry
Regrets
Dmitri
Chair
Dom
Scribe
dom

Contents


Web Compatibility Test for Mobile Browsers

General feedback

<dom_scribe> Gallery of screenshots of mobile browsers rendering the test

Dom: pretty good feedback from various people, quite a good outreach

Wilhelm: reading blogs, most people seemed interested to know which browsers passed or not

<dom_scribe> First results of Web Compatibility Test

HTTPS test

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the https:// test [CLOSED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action01]

Dom: W3C doesn't have an appropriate HTTPs server
... suggest we keep it as is for now, given that it probably doesn't affect so many people

WURFL

<dom_scribe> Leveraging WURFL with WCTMB

<scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [DROPPED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

Dom: don't think we can interface the WCTMB with WURLF, given that the data are not collected in a machine readable format
... maybe we could do that with the test harness, though
... will reply to the commenter

contenteditable

´╗┐ACTION: Wilhelm to check the test for "contenteditable attribute" [CLOSED]

<dom_scribe> Fixing contenteditable attribute

<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable bug [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action03]

serving the test through PHP

Dom: we can use PHP on the main W3C server (www.w3.org), but then we would lose the advantage of the public CVS repository; I'll look to see if I can find a way to have the test served from www.w3.org directly from the repository, with the user agent string automatically added.

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user agent appearing [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

<hendry> sidenote: what is the cvs checkout url for the test? was looking for it earlier and couldn't find it. cvsweb would be good too.

CVSWeb view of WCTMB

Improving test documentation

Wilhelm: given that we only test superficially most technologies, the idea was to link to further testing from the documentation; I've provided an example of what I had in mind for the first two tests.

Dom: looks good to me

Wilhelm: I'll complete the list, then.

<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look at a mapping scheme from test to specs and test suites. [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05]

@media handheld

Kai's question on @media handheld

Kai: I discussed it with Wilhelm last week - I now agree with Wilhelm

Wilhelm: various browsers have moved away to rely on @media handheld; webkit doesn't, opera doesn't by default; so, our stylesheet is associated with the media handheld, but we don't test that browsers specifically apply the @media handheld

Dom: I think it's a bit of a pity that browsers have gone away from supporting this, but I think it's probably OK we don't push for it given that we test for css media queries

Kai: the CSS test that we have about min-width, is it how people detect fullscreen nowadays?

Dom: that's CSS Media Queries - that's what e.g. the IPhone uses to have iphone-specific stylesheets

Testing for inputmode

<dom_scribe> a possible test for inputmode

Wilhelm: I'm all for it, but I'm a bit worried that Opera would be shown as passing it, while it doesn't really implement it

Dom: we could put a caveat in the documentation about how superficial the test is

Wilhelm: I vote for including

Kai: I'd like to test it for a week or so

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action06]

Harder SVG test

<dom_scribe> slightly more difficult svg tests

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

Color scheme unreadable for color-blind

Kai: I was hoping to work around the problem through the use of unicode characters
... but there are probably much more unicode-blind people than color-blind :)

dom: we could offer a separate version - e.g. in black and white
... by providing a separate style sheet

Kai: it's not only the style sheet - there are the images too

dom: we could have the images automatically generated

wilhelm: we have the same problem internally
... a separate version sounds good

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version of the tests with a different color scheme [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08]

Additional tests

Wilhem: If we include the inputmode test, we'll need 3 more tests to get a good looking grid

Kai: I'm thinking of helping advertising the test

<dom_scribe> Blog post on WCTMB

Kai: will try to get it covered by a couple of news sites

Wilhelm: could we ask for feedback on the blog?

Kai: has anyone contacted Ian Hickson?

Wilhelm: I did, but didn't get any concrete suggestions

Dom: I'll ask for additional suggests in a blog post. Not too hopeful about getting concrete suggestions, but it doesn't hurt anyway.

Charter extension

<scribe> ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING]

Dom: I requested the extension, and I expect it'll be announced any day now.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version of the tests with a different color scheme [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable bug [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user agent appearing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to ´╗┐look at a mapping scheme from test to specs and test suites. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the https:// test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
 
[DROPPED] ACTION: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
 
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