[brief introductions by all participants present]
AA: need to take turns in
... tried to put together some notes on IRC
... see some of you have joined by IRC today
... as you can see, we can share information
... and record the essence of the meeting
AA: hope some of you can volunteer to scribe future meetings
SAZ: helpful for scribes to join
a couple of minutes before the meeting
... especially to prepare the bots
... instructions are on the minuting page
HBj: is there a list of TF participants?
AA: yes, available online but may need to be updated
Helle: can we put the participant
initials on the participant list as well?
[or put full names in the Minutes]
Andrew: thanks Nacho for sending
comments to the formal comments list
... comments can be seen publicly in the mailing list archive
... this is different from our mailing list
Andrew: please see it if you want
... please send in your own feedback
William: we are all surprised
that the WAI resources have not gotten through to many of the
work identified in the literature review
... is there a way to follow-up and tell them that we are here?
... for instance, some may not even know of the existence of WCAG
SAZ: can contact the people we
cite during the literature review
... but we will also develop specific educational resources to speak to them
... this is the next agenda item
Andrew: looking at the literature
review, we've adapted the introduction section quite a
... we've taken out a lot of the demographics into an appendix
... any comments on the introduction section so far?
... Nacho had comments about why some people may not be online
William: think that this is very important
Suzette: was just looking at
that, especially the statistics are changing so quickly
... table will need to be updated while the literature review is being developed
Andrew: was relying on the
EuroStat information to get the EU as a whole
... any other information?
Suzette: our experience is that the age above 75 is quite different, may need to split that
Andrew: seems also to be a discrepancy between the table and the graph
Suzette: need to get additional
figures, even if more focused regionally
... the question of "who is older", we need to be very clear about the age ranges
Andrew: any comments on section 2.3 - What are age-related functional limitations?
Nacho: some influences are fear
of internet or unwillingness to learn something new
... have to take that into account
Jack: might be worthwhile to explore the ranges in the context of attitude & aptitude
Susanna: good report in Sweden
about how elderly use the internet
... summary available in English, quite a good study
Andrew: sounds very interesting,
please send to the mailing list for discussion
... looking for literature reviews in section 3.1, please let us know of any pointers
William: I question the statement on homogeneity of older vs younger users
Suzette: Gregor made that point too
William: that used to be said about gender as well, it is just not true
Andrew: comments on the next section?
Jack: lost the overall thread -
why were you citing all these guidelines?
... for example a small lead-in about why the goal of citing all these studies
... what am i supposed to be getting from this?
... not questioning how useful these studies are, or this section is
... just looking for some summary about what these studies are
William: one thing that is
implied, is that they don't qualify
... and that may not be something we want to do
shadi: maybe we haven't analysed these guidlines to extent thyat we should
Shadi: agree with Jack about the need for a lead-in summary but for that it needs more analysis first
Suzette: age ranges vary within
... may need to analyze this and position any statements accordingly
Andrew: any further comments on training older users in ICT?
Helle: introduction could be more generic or "situation oriented" rather than just for the Web
Suzette: have a summary from an Austrian group
Andrew: section 3.5
William: we are separated because society separates us
William: would be good to find a
way to combine the two
... don't only need to brng older users to the Web, but also need to integrate them
Andrew: we'll come back to this place in the document and continue the discussion at the next meeting.
Andrew: as part of the WAI-AGE
Project, we have the development of educational material for
industry and users
... these are WAI resources, and should address the needs of older users
... sent some materials around, to start of some discussions
Judy: you should have received
two different documents, both of them quiet similar in
... one is for industry, and the other is more for users
... took some of the current findings from the literature review
... and looked into our WAI educational resources
... that helped us focus on some specific documents to revise
... as well as to identify some gaps, where we may need to develop new resources
... looking at the first document, the industry one, there are 4 documents mentioned there
... first is "How People with Disabilities Use the Web"
... second is "Developing a Web Accessibility Business Case for Your Organization"
[Judy introduces the documents listed in the industry-document]
Suzette: seeing more older
people are staying employed
... is there a difference between employed users vs voluntary users of the Web?
Judy: How PWDs Use the Web
provides a very good opportunity for that
... could include diverse scenarios, especially ones that contradict stereotypes
Susanna: how do you plan to
approach the "Overlapping Relationship between Usability and
... in Sweden trying to create new words to try to address the overlap
Judy: are those the Verva
... will be a trickier document
Andrew: please have a look at
... will discuss more during the next few meetings
Andrew: were planning to meet
every second week
... seems Monday is the most appropriate date for all participants
... next meeting would be Monday 9th June
... any known regrets?
Susanna: can't do the 9th
Helle: also Can't
Shadi: also can't
Andrew: Tuesday 10th?
Shadi: regrets from me
RESOLUTION: next meeting on *Tuesday 10 June* at 15:30 CEST
no Action Items recorded[End of minutes]