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XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference

21 May 2008

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Roland, ShaneM, Steven, Alessio, Tina
Regrets
Yam
Chair
Roland
Scribe
Steven

Contents


Steven: I think Mark is travelling to the USA

Reviews

Steven: The XML Base review is at the bottom of my todo list at the moment

FtF

Roland: The FtF will be a virtual one. I will send out details of times shortly.

CURIEs

Roland: Is in last call; any comments yet?

Steven: I got a message "the RIF group plans to use CURIE-s in their next charter for what they call presentation syntax. This is not a XML based syntax at all"

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_Working_Group

Role

Roland: We have completed second last call
... Shane, you have proposed workding as a response to SVG?

<Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0050.html

Shane: Yes
... SVG want more roles that map to text like properties
... I propose we politely decline
... and let them put it in their space if they want it
... 'cos that's what CURIEs are for
... Mark says that there is an intention that we map elements into roles
... great discussion to have, but I don't think that needs to be part of our respnse

Roland: Agree

Alessio: Yes

Roland: We disagree that we should add more predefined roles into our space

Steven: Sounds right. I agree with the CURIE comment

Shane: But they can talk to the WAI people if they want

Roland: Al asked where the normative definition is
... I would prefer it to be in the vocab spec

Steven: But is the vocab spec normative? I thought not

Roland: I would prefer it to be
... Everyone OK with Shane's response

Steven: Yes

Shane: In section 3

<ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xhtml-role-20080407/#s_role_module_attributes

Shane: we list some values in our space
... SVG WG says "don't list some"
... either make it a complete list or make the section informative

Roland: Fair comment

Shane: Agree

Roland: We can just have some examples of it being used here
... and could include CURIE properties as well

<alessio> true

Roland: We need to start the vocab doc as a rec track spec

Steven: If we want to make it normative, then it has to be
... But if role refers to vocab, then they have to be in lockstep

Shane: I disagree with you Roland
... I think that that would work, but that it is not necessary, and a bit heavyweight
... Role is an enabling technology, that uses CURIEs, and we say in XHTML that the default prefix points to the XHTML vocab space
... for all XHTML CURIEs
... it is fine if we remove values from teh vocab space from the role spec
... if we remove tham and then make it dependent on another rec track spec, that is a mixture of our and WAI stuff, then I think it will unnecessarily impede role

Roland: So the scope of the role spec is an attribute that allows values to come from different places, and therefore the spec says nothing about those values
... so we refer from our vocab space to role, but not vice versa

Steven: I agree

<alessio> me too

Roland: So the role spec only illustrates the use of values, but doesn't define any

Steven: Sounds good

Shane: I think SVG WG would be happy with that too, but we need to send the response to be sure
... I'll reword my response to reflect that

Roland: Will you please reply to Al along those lines as well?

Shane: Sure

<scribe> ACTION: Shane to reply to Al about the relationship between Role and Vocab specs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: Shane to reply to SVG on role [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]

Shane: Then I think that we can transition to CR
... we need to figure out the exit criteria for this and access
... and the relationship to M12N 1.1
... I think Access has a dependency, but not role

M12N transition status

Roland: We have a transition call scheduled for 30th May

Steven: So we need to decide about exit criteria, and to what extent we haven't already achieved them

<ShaneM> The last CR had these:

<ShaneM> W3C is looking for testimonials from users of this specification. Additionally, experience using all of the modules is being sought to create a coverage table of the use of each module. These two criteria are needed to advance this specification to "Proposed Recommendation".

Shane: We should create a table of usage of the modules like we did for V1.0

Steven: Mark's language xh uses them

Roland: Our first objective is to achieve CR,
... if we achieve that then we can talk about whether we have already reached PR

Steven: We also need to remind them about the history:
... V1 was with DTDs and an empty appendix for schemas
... we produced the schemas independently, and wanted to merge the two specs as a PER, but got push back
... so were asked to renumber
... but really it is like the DOM with a binding for, say, javascript, and then we add a binding for, say, Python
... nothing has changed
... it really is the same version

Roland: We'll do a checkpoint next Wednesday

Response to TAG on Media types

<Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0065.html

<Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0067.html

Shane: I made the case privately to Noah that we don't believe the media type needs changing
... which is consistent with your wording Steven

Steven: My reply says that the XHTML spec says what you can do with it
... not the media type

Shane: I asked them personally what they think, since TIm believes it's OK, but I don't know what the TAG as a whole thinks

Steven: So do we send the message?

Shane: Since you are responding to the document, that section talks about HTML, I think we should tell them that it is about XHTML
... if they say yes, but we want it to work for HTML too, that's fine, because that's not on our charter

Roland: I agree

<alessio> +1

<scribe> ACTION: Steven to send TAG response, with addition of XHTML comment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-minutes.html#action03]

Document character set

Shane: Could you Steven send references to the fact that all HTML and XML docs are in Unicode

Steven: Yes

<scribe> ACTION: Steven to send a reference to Unicode as document character set [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-minutes.html#action04]

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Shane to reply to Al about the relationship between Role and Vocab specs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Shane to reply to SVG on role [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven to send a reference to Unicode as document character set [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven to send TAG response, with addition of XHTML comment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-minutes.html#action03]
 
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