<Ashok> scribenick: Ashok

Hello ... we are early ... shows people are enthusiastic about this work!

Which is wonderful!

<mhausenblas> hm, seems passcode does not work

<mhausenblas> sure 7322 ?

Please 7322

<iv_an_ru> (I'm still trying to connect so don't wait for me :|

<AxelPolleres> why did you generate minutes now already? confused...

Did not generate minutes yet

<AxelPolleres> s/then/than/

<mhausenblas> scribenick AxelPolleres

<AxelPolleres> scribe: Axel Polleres

<AxelPolleres> scribenick: AxelPolleres

Roll Call

Soeren Auer: (introducing himself, talking about triplify, see respective mails on the list)

<Ashok> + Catherine Dolbear

Catherine: introducing herself.

<mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc

Catherine: trying to integrate legacy databases. Large use case. problems with matching column names directly to properties.

who was wspeaking?

<Ashok> + Soren Auer

<Ashok> + Daniel Engovatov

Kingsley: Orri not on the call.

<Ashok> + Ahmed Ezzat

<iv_an_ru> Orri's phone is busy so maybe he is trying to connect like me

Everybody should put an introduction to the mailinglist.

Enrico: introducing himself, leading DL/SW research group in Bolzano.

Can people please use nicknames which identify their real names?

Michael Hausenblas: (introducing himself)

scribe: Joanneum Research Austria.

Kingsley Kidehen: (introducing their work - virtuoso, openlink)

Ashok: doug not here.
... (introducing himself) rather from the RDBMS world thant RDF world, working at oracle.
... Jim Melton not here

Ivan&Orrie: both OpenLink, just joined.

<kidehen> AxelPolleres: Kingsley +1 617 273 0900

Chimezie Ogbuji not here.

David Orchard: introducing himself.

members list , btw, available here: http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=42232

Axel: (introducing himself) interested in SPARQL, dynamic binding of legacy DBs, also XML data (combinations of XQuery and SPARQL)

<iv_an_ru> (Note that 7522 is not a valid conference code)

Satya Sahoo: (introducing himself) mentions a recent paper as well (please post details in introduction)

Chris Pierce, Vassilis Tzouvara not here.

<mhausenblas> Michael: As I have to leave soon, my 2 cent: We'd prefer a F2F meeting at the ISCW08

Orri: very much a DB engine guy, publishing information about virtuoso soon. DB background optimizing SQL, SPARQL, etc.

<mhausenblas> ... and we should soon start with a report on the current state of the art (which I vonlunteer to edit)

Time and duration of weekly telcon

Ashok: this time is difficult for some callers.
... sooner not good for people from west coast.
... my own difficulty, i can do pretty much only on fridays.
... earlier possible, but we have to ask others.
... 7:00AM westcoast, 4:00PM europe on fridays?

difficult for some people on the west coast.

<iv_an_ru> For me, there's no difference between 21:00 or 22:00 Novosibirsk time :)

scribe: 8:00AM west coast possible?

Michael: I am off, feel free to assign actions to me

Ashok: ... 8:00AM west coast = 4:00PM GMT = 5:00CET.
... duration?
... let's schedule for 60min, I will still reserve a 90min slot, let's see how it goes.

F2F meeting

Ashok: rules of XG require us to do first f2f soon!
... any thoughts, volunteers to host?
... when/where are the preferences?
... duration? (I strongly recommend at least 2 full days.)
... east coast seems to be sort of half way.
... host needed.
... rewuirements: conference room, coffee, that's about it. not a big burden.
... please use the mailinglist to post suggestions?

Ahmed: I am not so familiar with the processes.

Ashok: please check the mails pointing to the mailinglists.
... we have two mailinglists.
... member-xg-rdb2rdf@w3.org and public-xg-rdb2rdf@w3.org

<scribe> ACTION: Ashok to send out details about mailinglists subscription. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/04-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action01]

deadline for that action? BTW?

do we have an action tracker?

Ashok: Shall we use the public mailinglist for everything.

Axel: other groups also have a "comments" mailinglist for external comments.

Ashok: I will find out.

PROPOSED: XG will discuss all techical work on the public list, all business on the members list.

no objections.

RESOLUTION: XG will discuss all techical work on the public list, all business on the members list.

Ashok: Topic: What is it what the XG would like to accomplish?

What is it what the XG would like to accomplish?

Ashok: XG is not to define standards.
... we can propose that mappings can do in some way, but only then we can start a working group... if the W3C team thinks that is a useful thing.
... I'd like to solicit proposals on that.
... there was a comment already from somebody to do a literature survey.

Soeren: THat was a student of mine (Soeren please paste link to mail, name)
... maybe it is 2 or three pages.

Ahmed: please all to send URLs or citations of what you do to the list.

Kingsley: always add URLs to the subject matter, when sending mails.

Satya: I have already put some things in my earlier mails.

Kingsley: We should use the esw wiki, there is an RDB2RDF section there already.

Ashok: pls post the URL!

Ahmed: Some intro initially, so that we are all on the same level would be good.

Axel: why use esw wiki? or shall we have an own?

Kingsley: link density is immense on esw.

<kidehen> http://esw.w3.org/topic/RdfAndSql

Kingsley: we can also use it for the WG drafts, experience on that in SWEO.

Ashok: let's use this week to gather all tools and entry points.
... we all have very different backgrounds.
... might make sense if next week one person presents a solution.
... what do you think?

<kidehen> SWEO sample: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG?highlight=%28sweo%29

<kidehen> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG

Ahmed: If any of us can go over the material collection in advance, then we should go to start the discussion.

<iv_an_ru> esw wiki is good sandbox to play.

Ashok: Because we have a fairly large number of proposals here, we should present one approach per hpone call around 15min.
... who is gonna do it next week?

Satya: I can do it.

Ashok: send a pointer beforehand on the mailinglist, then we will give you 15min.

<scribe> ACTION: Satya to prepare a presetnation of his approach next time. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/04-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action02]

AOB

Satya: new to W3C. Please send out links to how to connect to IRC, etc.

<scribe> ACTION: ??? to send out indformation on IRC and working group practices. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/04-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action03]

<Ashok> ACTION: Dave to send out URL for W3C CGI IRC Client [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/04-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action04]

We have several unidentified people.

David: there is some issues on which names to use for actions, etc. and how to assign names to IRC-names.
... you can tell Zakim, who on the chat is who in the phone.
... etc.

Ashok: summarize:
... next phone call same time next week.
... I will at some time propose schedule for f2f.
... presentation next time by satya.
... propose to adjourn.

I hasd pasted both addresses of the mailinglists above.

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