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WAI UA

20 Mar 2008

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Jan, KFord, Judy, Jim
Regrets
Gregory, Rosmaita
Chair
Jim Allan
Scribe
Jan

Contents


 

 

<scribe> Scribe: Jan

JA: Has been talking to someone else about joining as an Invited Expert

Participation

JB: Met some people at CSUN
... Checking UA site...
... Jim, please send me email at end of meeting.
... ANother person...
... At discussion of media and captions...
... Person is an accessibility consultant
... Will send him mail to follow up

JA: I have some other cards as well

JB: We do need to be careful that when people step into meetings they sign the patent policy
... OK so it looks like we could be adding several new people

1. First Public Working Draft & Charter

JB: Technically the draft is out as a dreft of a document on Note track
... Because our charter doesn't currently allow a new Rec track doc.
... JB: Wasn't caught as early as it could have been

<AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2007/draft_uawg_charter_21feb07.html

Existing charter: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/charter-20041107.html

Draft NEW charter: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2007/draft_uawg_charter_21feb07.html

JA: Milestones need to be changed but aren't too far off
... Based on CG call should we put formal dependencies on Compound Docs and WebAPI

JB: "Formal Dependency" means...
... Usually between PF and other W3 groups...
... What's needed here is that UA group will be reviewing what those other groups are doing
... Think charter generator has different wording
... Under this call most relationships would be through PF, and actually would want more direct ability to go directly to other W3 groups
... Former chair was frustrated by that
... Think its a good way to get progress in general on user agent accessibility support across WAI

KF: Agree that it's better if UAWG can contribute out rather than waiting for things to come in.

JA: Maybe just say "The UAWG may also interact with the following non-WAI W3C Working Groups."

JB: Maybe still makes sense to channel some stuff through PF
... So if promoting a particular strategy that should go through PF
... So maybe "except where we're coordinating on compound docs, Web APIs, or user agent support"

JA: "user agent support" too broad?

JB: I mean like guidance...SVG spec...so SVG players...so UAWG would help with developer guidance on player features

JR: Sounds ok, but no hard division possible

<scribe> ACTION: JR to Try out charter generator with wording to cover UAWG communication with other format groups [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-ua-minutes.html#action01]

JB: All charters will get cross-reviewed in CG

KF: Other things that need to be changed are all the timelines

JB: Should be chartered through Rec and then follow on work....test suites etc.
... May make sense to charter for 2 or 3 year period
... Also under deliverables, specify v2.0

<scribe> ACTION: JR to In new charter clarify v2.0 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-ua-minutes.html#action02]

JB: Charter should start July 1?

JA: Shouldn't charter pre-date draft?

JB: Can't predate what happened last week.
... But maybe we could say April 1
... Not just "Publish", "Publish Recommendation"
... "Develop test suites for user agents that render HTML and CSS. " seems too narrow

JA: What to add?

KF: Would we do the test suites?
... Shouldn't CSS suite go to CSS group?
... We should advise and contribute as appropriate

JB: Catch under W3C Process....Last Call...then CR...then final Rec
... Under CR need several interoperable implementations...test suites help prove this.
... So we need to do test suites
... It's another reason we need more people on the group

JA: So what happens if we;re doing HTML4 and then HTML5 comes out

<AllanJ> JR: UA level of abstraction is higher

<AllanJ> ... test cases are difficult

JB: In WAI we customize
... Requirements document could also be an exit criteria

<AllanJ> JR: AU and UA have even larger problem

JB: Doesn't work that way in WAI

JA: John S. and I discussing this several years ago...
... WCAG tells them what to do...but needed to bring it into a user agent to do the test

JB: Sounds good

JA: Yeah but we didn't do it

JB: So maybe this is enough on the charter today
... Under "Scope" "Increase membership" should not be in there...should be in Participation

<scribe> ACTION: JR to Under "Scope" "Increase membership" should not be in there...should be in Participation e.g. 10 active members [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-ua-minutes.html#action03]

2. ARIA User Agent Implementors Guide

JA: Some discussion of whether UAAG wiki could be used....prob not
... But we should review it
... It's a huge document

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/ARIA_UA_Best_Practices

KF: And more coming

JA: I heard that Safari is starting to incorporate HTML5 tags

JB: Really?

JA: Nothing prevents them

Maybe here: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/ARIA_UA_Best_Practices

Sorry: http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206904535

JA: Based on conversation with AG, the browser group will go off and talk about it.

JB: ANd if they want to come back to UAWG space should we welcome them?
... Yes

JA: Yes

KF: Yes

JA: Would they all have to sign up?

JB: Yes

JA: If we start doing this more with Pierre and Geoff is there a quick process page for this?

JB: Most on participation page already

JR: Phillipe

JB: So keyboard Agneda item to next week

JA: Anything on TEITAC wiki that we should point to?

JB: Yes and more coming - I'll send it along

JA: Can't make it on April 3rd

JB: Can't make it on April 17,24
... I'll be co-chairing the UAWG for a few months

JA: Certainly helpful

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: JR to In new charter clarify v2.0 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: JR to Try out charter generator with wording to cover UAWG communication with other format groups [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: JR to Under "Scope" "Increase membership" should not be in there...should be in Participation e.g. 10 active members [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-ua-minutes.html#action03]
 
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