Weekly Forms WG Telecon

19 Mar 2008


See also: IRC log


Nick_van_den_Bleeken, ebruchez, +1.919.254.aaaa, John_Boyer, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Rafael, Susan_Borgrink, unl, Steven, markbirbeck
Charlie, Joern




<John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh

<Rafael> ??P8 is Rafael

<John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz

great, you're in practice!

<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0058.html

<wellsk> The W3C XForms 1.1 test suite can be found here: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Test/XForms1.1/Edition1/driverPages/html/index.html

<wellsk> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Test/XForms1.1/Edition1/zip/TestCases11.zip

<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/att-0026/actions-2008-03-05.html

Action 2008-02-13.1 done

Action 2007-12-12.1 done

Action 2007-11-28.2 done

Action 2007-10-10.3

Action 2007-08-8.1

<John_Boyer> Remove three of the four occurrences of Action 2008-01-16.1

Action 2007-03-14.5 done

2007-09-12 open http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-forms-minutes.html#action01 done

Action 2007-10-03.1 done

Action 2007-10-10.4 done

Action 2007-10-31.1 done

<John_Boyer> Done Action 2007-10-31.1

<John_Boyer> Done Action 2007-10-24.5

<ebruchez> Done too: 2007-10-24.2, http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-forms-minutes.html#action03, http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-forms-minutes.html#action01, http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-forms-minutes.html#action04

<ebruchez> and Action 2007-05-16.4, as I think we had solved the event order issue

<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/att-0026/actions-2008-03-05.html#landwehrdavid

<John_Boyer> David's list

<John_Boyer> Remove Action 2007-03-07.3

<John_Boyer> Remove Action 2006-07-5.8 because known issue now that is moved to 2.0 to architect a new solution based on smarter controls

<John_Boyer> Remove Action 2006-07-5.6 because John already did the work and added to 1.1

<John_Boyer> Remove Action 2006-01-31.3 because future feature for 2.0

<John_Boyer> Remove Action 2005-09-08.15 because done in 1.1 (if and while on actions)

<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0055.html

<John_Boyer> <select1 name="X" readonly="some/expression"

<John_Boyer> <readonly context=".." value="some/expression"/>

<nick> <select1 ref="X" readonly=".."> should become <readonly value=".."/>

<nick> _NO_ context=".."

<markbirbeck> <output id="bonusmsg" value="$BonusMsg" relevant="$Subtotal &gt; 100" />

<markbirbeck> <output id="bonusmsg" value="$BonusMsg" relevant="Subtotal &gt; 100" />

<markbirbeck> <input name="GiftMsg" relevant="$Gift = true()" />

<markbirbeck> <input name="GiftMsg" relevant="Gift = true()" />

<John_Boyer> <input name"Gift"> ...

<nick> and you should use <input ref="GiftMsg" relevant="../Gift = true()" />

<nick> if you have <input name="Gift" /> or <bind nodeset="GiftMsg"/>

<John_Boyer> <group name="X"><input name="Gift">...</group>

<John_Boyer> <input name="GiftMsg" relevant="boolean-from-string($Gift)">...

<John_Boyer> <input name="GiftMsg" relevant="boolean-from-string(X/Gift)">...

<Steven> I had Mark S on the line, and he said that our call clashes with the Oasis one, but he will be back soon (OoM 1 month)

<John_Boyer> <group ref="../.."> <output name="LineTotal" calculate="$something"

<John_Boyer> Proposal: use of name attribute implies the following

<John_Boyer> 1) create an instance node at "current" level of XML corresponding to UI structure

<John_Boyer> 2) create bind with id same as the name

<John_Boyer> 3) move all MIP attributes from named UI control to child elements of bind with context=".."

<nick> I think we need to be able to mix it

<nick> I agree with Mark

<nick> In my opinion I would also call it a failure if you can mix it

<John_Boyer> Nick, Do you mean failure if you *cannot* mix it?

<nick> sorry yes, if you can __not__

<nick> but I think what we now have, works

<nick> <group ref="../.."> <output ref="LineTotal" calculate="$something"/> should work if you provided your instance data, if we decide that lazy authoring doesn't allows ".." (like it is today)

<John_Boyer> sure

<nick> ref="a[1]" and ref="a[2]" but supporting lazy authoring with predicates is nearly impossible (if you want to support more then only position()= <constant>

<ebruchez> I have to go, talk to you next week

<John_Boyer> bye, Erik

<John_Boyer> 4) the UI control is converted from name attr to having a bind attr

<John_Boyer> <output bind="LineTotal" ...>

<John_Boyer> <output bind="LineTotal" calculate="...."

<John_Boyer> <output name="blah" relevant="$X"

<John_Boyer> $X is still interpreted in context of the output even when you do this

<John_Boyer> <output bind="blah" relevant="$X"

<markbirbeck> <output ref="x" relevant="boolean-from-string(../blah)" />

<John_Boyer> So if MIP attributes stay on the controls, then they can't be evaluated in context of UI binding

i have to go in 2 minutes.

<John_Boyer> ok

calculate sounds like xsl:variable

<John_Boyer> If there are alternate proposals to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0055.html, then we need to get them out there so we can settle the syntax and semantics.

<SusanB> ok, bye

<nick> bye, it was a good call

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