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<pfps> are you providing a memorial for Weizenbaum, bijan?
<bijan> I didn't realize he'd died
<pfps> yes, sad - there was a surprising amount of news chatter on his death
Alan: Agenda suggestions?
Elisa: could exploit source of
existing OWL QR guide
... unfortunately it is a Word doc not HTML
<bijan> It's not hard
<bijan> Doubtful :)
Alan: some issues about printing
<bijan> That was the result of cssing
<dlm> just joined sorry
Elisa: not sure if it will be possible to do anything before F2F
<alanr> hi deb
Alan: not time critical; better to review existing docs
<bijan> We've committed to its existence? I mean, we having brought it ot the wg yet...
Alan: requirement for separate overview? if so what? could it be included in existing docs?
Deb: most used parts are: sec 2
QR; short examples and links; guide for readers.
... species stuff not needed.
Alan: Links and one liners covered by QR
Deb: on line version could have links
<bijan> Structural spec now will have constructer specific examples
<bijan> E.g., http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Example
Alan: examples? another set might be redundant. QR examples could link straight into syntax and primer. Not sure if more (redundant) examples needed.
Deb: Likes simple/redundant examples.
Alan: See how much of short examples can be fitted into QR and link to primer for the rest then see where we are up to?
Deb: QR least contentious and covers much of what I care about
Alan: Open up discussion
... believes most of overview functionality can be covered in QR; will be short; have commitment to effort; can see where we stand when it is done.
<Zakim> alanr, you wanted to discuss accessibility
<pfps> +1 to bijan
Bijan: disagrees; doesn't hear consensus
Alan: What is wrong with 1/2 page index?
Bijan: sceptical about ability to realise this.
<bijan> I'd have to see it, right?
Ian: aren't we agreeing to try and produce a suitable QR?
Peter: thinks Alan is saying more
Alan: No -- no commitment yet to how it will be published
<bijan> Then what do we need to announce? Do we just proceed by working.
Peter: in that case I am OK with
... i.e., with having someone producing a doc and seeing where it would fit.
Bijan: I'm OK with this too.
Alan: Primer news?
<alanr> ok by me
Bijan: Kendal Clarke offered to do some proof reading/editing
<alanr> Can Kendall joint WG for a short bit, to make it official?
OK by me too
Bijan: feedback on examples would
... still some gaps (how to read, ...)
Baojie: who will be reader of primer
Bijan: end users
Baojie: in that case some sections may be too dense. e.g. ...
Bijan: Section 2?
Baojie: differences with DB
<alanr> +1 to making it clearer. A line at the beginning of 2 saying these are aimed at particular experts
Bijan: aimed at experts in relevant areas (e.g. RDF); should be made clearer
Baojie: Section 3 too dense for users unfamiliar with OWL; e.g., what is an individual, property etc. This was covered in guide.
Alan: which section of guide?
Baojie: 3.1 and 3.2
Bijan: move some discussions to appendices?
<alanr> where exactly, ji?
Alan: suggest sections that it isn't so important to read
<alanr> good point
This is useful, but do we need teleconf time for it?
<alanr> up to bijan, peter
<pfps> no - child is correct there
<Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask about linking wiki to feedback and to ask whether we should solicit ideas for examples from list
And I don't want to scribe it :-)
Alan: send note to WG asking for
... feedback from wiki to ack reviewers?
Bijan: will be an ack section in doc
Alan: might give encouragement
Bijan: how to do it in the wiki?
<alanr> ACTION: alan to add feedback to wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/17-owl-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-111 - Add feedback to wiki page [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-03-24].
Deb: how to add comments?
Bijan: use review template in wiki
<bijan> See: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/XML_Serialization
<alanr> hi evan
Bijan & Deb: discussion on examples
<alanr> bye, elisa
<alanr> i had no plan to send out a note re: primer, atm
<pfps> olive oil is cultural independent?
Deb: culturally independent example?
<alanr> no cheese in japan?
<pfps> cheese may offend Ian :-)
Depends on the cheese :-)
<pfps> vegan cheese?
<alanr> +1 to atoms
<alanr> or weather
Bijan: scientific example (atoms etc)
<pfps> vegetarian cheese? is that possible?
<pfps> weather ends up with probabilities very soon
<alanr> traffic law
<pfps> too controversial :-)
<baojie> weather also has temporal favor: "it is sunny" depends on time
<pfps> Cheese is a food made from the milk of cows, goats, sheep and other mammals, by coagulating the milk. - Wikipedia
Ian: I like science stuff; *any* kind of food is surely culturally dependent.
<bijan> Need examples for: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax as well
Alan: still on track when you have time?
Evan: any place in wiki to put it?
<bijan> Evan, feel free to reuse: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Structural_Reference_Experiment
Alan: put it in line with your name in a comment
<pfps> we don't have good versioning in the Wiki, unfortunately
<bijan> I'm finished iwth it
<alanr> view source
<pfps> If Evan is making speculative changes, then other changes will have to be deferred.
Evan: multiple syntaxes?
Bijan: don't bother; can retro-fit.
Evan: Monday 24th?
Alan: so soon?
Evan: this is only for review + thoughts of what needs to be done.
<alanr> ACTION: Evan to review syntax document as reference - what is needed? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/17-owl-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-112 - Review syntax document as reference - what is needed? [on Evan Wallace - due 2008-03-24].
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