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XHTML2 Weekly Teleconference

30 Jan 2008

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Roland, Steven, yamx, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck, Alessio
Regrets
Gregory
Chair
Roland
Scribe
Steven

Contents


Announcements

Steven: I read the selectors API spec
... no real comments

<scribe> ACTION: Steven to send response on selctors API [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]

FtF

FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF

Steven: Please fill in the form even if you can't come

Yam: Do we really have a three day agenda?

Roland: I definitely think there is 3 days of work on XHTML2
... and there is surely other work to do

Gerrie: Will there only be IRC?

Steven: Also Skype to my id

ARIA

Roland: Neither Rich or Gregory here today

Steven: I was expecting Rich today

Roland: He had sent regrets for the last weeks, maybe he's travelling

M12N

Steven: I have sent the transition request off, so it's in the pipeline

RDFa

Roland: Shane has pointed out the new draft on the Drafts page

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax

Shane: Lots of changes, all diff marked
... we need to resolve to send it to last call
... there is an issue we have to take a decision on
... we used values for @rel and @property from
... XHTML2
... and these are enumerated in the spec

Shane: the chair of the TF has said that it is our decision about extending these
... This is section 9

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/#s_metaAttributes

Steven: We are grandfathering them in from XHTML1

<ShaneM_> there is an issue with the use of non-xhtml defined values (e.g., nofollow) - since these values are not defined they will not by default generate triples in XHTML+RDFa

Steven: The only problem area is when peoiple use values outside this list
... such as nofollow

Shane: Traditionally you can use other values if you use @profile

Roland: Any other comments?

Shane: There is as yet no schema implementation
... but there is no problem with adding a schema later

Roland: Who do we want to comment on it at last call?

Steven: We can ask at HCG if HTML5 are interested. DanC is chair, and he has interest

Mark: The Semweb people are going to vote to take this to LC on 9th Feb
... if we can match that that would be good

<gshults> I do not

Steven: Since this document is produced by people from this group I would propose that we take this as a recommendation to go to last call, and that anyone who wants more time should speak up now, otherwise we resolve

Roland: Let's make that resolution next week
... this is due warning for people to review it this week

XHTML 1.1 SE

Roland: Any change on this?
... We talked about it last week

Shane: I update the draft

Roland: so we are just waiting on M12N

Bug in Basic

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0029.html

<scribe> ACTION: Shane to check bug in Basic 1.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]

Shane: hr is in Basic right?

Steven: Yes

Role comments

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0032.html

Steven: We don't require a DTD, just M12n

Shane: You have to interface to one of our normative implementations of M12N, so that includes DTD

Steven: How about:

"XHTML doesn't really envision the idea of adding attributes to a document after it is

loaded (after DOMready or the LOAD event fires)."

Steven: Do we agree?

Roland: No

Shane: We don't say anything about it

Steven: But it is part of the real world expectations of XHTML
... I don't think any spec requires the DOM tree to remain conformant with the DTD/schema
... I see now. He is interpreting this as a syntax+DOM spec. BUt it is actually just a syntax spec

Shane: Another question he has, about what happens when role has more than one value
... and about non-prefixed values that aren't in our set

Steven: Either leave it to the host language, or require it to be ignored
... and if we make a decision we have to add it to the spec
... We ignore similar rel values don't we?

Mark: We do now

<markbirbeck> rel ::= (linktype | CURIE)*

Steven: We may as well do the same for role
... it would be consistent

Mark: They should come from the same taxonomy
... since a role could have a rel value and vice versa

RESOLUTION: non prefixed role values not in the standard list should be ignored

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Shane to check bug in Basic 1.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven to send response on selctors API [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
 
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