Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

 

 

<trackbot-ng> Date: 24 January 2008

ok, just muted myself

<francois> Scribe: AlanTai

<francois> ScribeNick: Alan_Tai

Mobile/Accessibility

Dan: Taskforce leaders not present, so we'll skip agenda .1

<francois> First public working draft of the Relationship between MWBP and WCAG doc

Alan: Accesibility main document is now a public working draft.

It's now on W3C home page.

<alan_chuter> Yeliz Yesilada

Dan: Next item is BP2 document. We'll skip this for now to get to some logistical items.

Next F2F

Dan: Korean F2F just over a month away.

Francois: Should hear official news from guys in Korea. They're working on hotels and how to get there. Should be ready by tomorrow.

Dan: Have a proposal for F2F in Zaragoza (Spain) and another proposal for in Mandelieu in October.
... Mandelieu is a no-brainer.

Nacho: between 14th of June and 14th of September. Asking them about venue details and rooms.
... Expo has the same range of dates, so difficult to find rooms.

<jo> [suggest we look only at end June or 1st week in July as otherwise folks tend to be away]

<scribe> ACTION: Nacho will ask group about having it the week before the Expo starts. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Nacho

<jo> ACTION: Marin will ask group about having it the week before the Expo starts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-629 - Will ask group about having it the week before the Expo starts [on Ignacio Marin - due 2008-01-31].

<DKA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We will meet at the TPAC in France in October 2008.

<nacho> +1

<Kai> +1

<francois> +1

<abel> +1

<alan_chuter> +1

<nacho> :-)

<DKA> RESOLUTION: We will meet at the TPAC in France in October 2008.

<francois> ACTION: daoust to check with organizers of the TPAC in France in October 2008 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-630 - Check with organizers of the TPAC in France in October 2008 [on François Daoust - due 2008-01-31].

Report from CT TF

Dan: Francois taking over role as BP content transformation task force leader.

Francois: Current roadmap is to present something by mid-February and do first working draft in Korea.

<DKA> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Jan/att-0003/Mobile_Web_Best_Practices_2_0.htm

BP2

Bryan: still looking for feedback.

Dan: Can to a first public working draft by Korea F2F?

Open issues and Actions

<francois> Open issues

For issue-230, we'll put this off until next week.

For issue-231, we need a concrete proposed resolution.

Sean: will make issue-231 more concrete.

<srowen> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-232 and resolve to modify LINK TARGET FORMAT to only apply to text resources -- those with known markup MIME types or "text/*"

doh, thanks :)

<DKA> +1

<srowen> RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-232 and resolve to modify LINK TARGET FORMAT to only apply to text resources -- those with known markup MIME types or "text/*"

<DKA> Change is noted in the minutes.

<srowen> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: modify mobileOK Basic tests to not consider '#' an invalid target, and to instead specifically except this as allowable

<jo> -1 as it is invalid!

<DKA> +1 as it is comon usage and not allowing it will mean that we fail lots of otherwise working pages

<jo> not suggesting we fail on it

<DKA> k kai

<jo> [joining the call]

<srowen> (+1 to keeping current warning)

<dom> (+1)

<jo> issue-233?

<trackbot-ng> ISSUE-233 -- Need clarification of why # is invalid as a link target -- OPEN

<trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/233

<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: ISSUE-233 leave wording as is and add explanatory note on why # is considered invalid

<jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: ISSUE-233 leave wording as is and add explanatory note on why # is considered invalid and Close ISSUE

<jo> RESOLUTION: ISSUE-233 leave wording as is and add explanatory note on why # is considered invalid and close issue

ISSUE-234

<jo> issue-234?

<trackbot-ng> ISSUE-234 -- PAGE_SIZE_LIMIT Should Objects Tasted count towards the overall page weight -- OPEN

<trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/234

Bryan: no way currently as a content provider that precaching is turned on

Jo: Browser would have to taste the content to know what the media type is because it can't find out any other way.

<DKA> ack

<dom> [it can skip downloading when the type attribute is set, though]

<jo> [agreed, but we need to find out whether that is the way real browsers behave]

Dan: Not comfortable with approach of counting bytes in redirects.

Jo: we have an inconsistency in that objects can be quite big.

<srowen> the page weight test is intended to account for not only device memory limitations, but bandwidth limits *and costs*

<Zakim> DKA, you wanted to note that page weight is not just about bandwidth

Srowen: this issue would discourage people from using th enested object tag. Agrees with Dan that this shouldn't count against total page weight.

doh, sorry--you guys all sound the same :)

<DKA> :)

<Zakim> jo, you wanted to say that before we ignore them we should make sure that they are indeed retrieved

Jo: We should see what browsers actually do, then we can make an assessment on whether it's ok to ignore or not.

<Zakim> jo, you wanted to say that we are in fact discouraging people from using Object, but only in the respect tha we are asking them to be aware that there is a cost associated with it

Action for Francois to talk with Dom and get more data.

<francois> ACTION: daoust to check with Dom about test cases for ISSUE-234 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-631 - Check with Dom about test cases for ISSUE-234 [on François Daoust - due 2008-01-31].

Dan: We'll put issue-234 on backburner and come back to it.

<nacho> bye

<abel> bye

ok, cool

bye