See also: IRC log, previous 2007-12-20
Manu: I think Mark is suggesting that
@instanceof does apply to @resource in some cases
... whereas Ben and I think it is simpler if @instanceof never applies to
@resource
Shane: I interpret Mark's argument as saying @instanceof applies to the subject
Ben: where Mark splits @rel and @resource, I
don't see a use case
... I'm concerned about multiple ways of expressing the same thing unless it
enables a new use case
ACTION: [DONE] Ben to propose a solution for running tests locally [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
-> "running tests locally" [Ben 2-Jan]
ACTION: [DONE] Ben to update primer to remove Libby's email address [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
Ben: I looked and didn't find it in the Primer
Manu: was a blanket action; it's definitely in the Syntax doc
ACTION: Manu to change Libby's email address to Michael's in all test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]
Manu: only appears in test 19; I've sent mail to Michael
ACTION: [DONE] Manu to check for BASE test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
Manu: I've proposed two tests, but apparently we previously resolved to not support xml:base (test73). test72 uses @base
ACTION: Shane to update syntax doc to remove Libby's email address (and replace it with Michael's) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
Ben: Michael has volunteered to work on the
implementation report on the wiki
... so rdfa.info
implementations report might point to or copy the wiki
ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]
Ben: draft under discussion
Shane: Mark wants the resource at the profile
URI to be something useful
... I've said this several times too; it's just a matter of getting it
done
... he'd also like to see the resource be content-negotiated
... and he suggests we also support the GRDDL alternative of <LINK
rel='transform'>
Ben: but GRDDL's XHTML mechanism is @profile
ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
[SWDWG] ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
Ben: I've done a draft implementation report
[SWDWG] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
Ben: I've updated the schedule
[SWDWG] ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding maintenance of wiki document http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]
Ben: defer decision until more folk are present
Manu: I have some feedback, which I'll put in
mail
... it's becoming a long document
... looks good at a high level; I need more time to look at the detail
... it says what I thought we'd all agreed on
... outstanding issues; @instanceof applying to @resource, changing email
addresses, dpedia examples use p: as namespace prefix which might confuse
some readers
Ben: I looked at the editors' draft and think it's coming together nicely. Also have some small comments
<msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0004.html
a triple can be generated even if @instanceof and @about is not specified anywhere in the document.
Manu: @href @rel with nothing else generates a triple
Ben: the test is not wrong but it's different
from the Creative Commons recommendation
... so could we add another that uses @rel='license' per the CC
recommendation?
Manu: happy to do that once 'license' is in the reserved list
Shane: tell me to add 'license' to the reserved list
<scribe> [DONE]
Ben: does SPARQL require whitespace before '.'?
<msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0005.html
RESOLUTION: test 71 accepted, pending confirmation of SPARQL whitespace rules
BASE with relative URIs
Ben: recommend dropping '#' for simplification; it's not necessary here
RESOLUTION: test 72 accepted, removing unnecessary '#'
<msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
Manu: we still have some whitespace
canonicalization issues
... test 11 fails under some implementations and passes under others
... the current test strips all whitespace in the SPARQL but that's not
strictly correct per the XHTML rules
... we could fix this by stripping the whitespace in the HTML
Ralph: the point of this test was not to test whitespace rules, but rather to test XMLliteral
Ben: to test whitespace we could use the XPath whitespace function in the SPARQL
Manu: I'm not sure that it would be correct to create a new test using the XPath function
Ben: it's just a way to write a test that is independent of the parser implementation w.r.t. whitespace preservation
-> schedule
Ben: I'd like us to reach agreement to have an
editors' draft for the SWD WG to review by their Jan 15 telecon
... that's agressive
... so please get comments to Mark and Shane by this weekend
Ben: the only open issue we're discussing is the @resource thread in email
Shane: Ivan observed that the RDFa attributes
are not permitted on <HTML>
... should this be permitted?
Manu: in one test case I wanted to say "there's
a person, me, at this address"
... e.g. example.org/shane
... is there a way to set the type of a document as a Person?
... can you declare the rdf:type of what you're linking to?
Ben: no way currently
... if you're linking something with a typed relationship, the type of the
object might be deducible
<msporny> <a about="#me" rel="foaf:knows" href="http://example.org/shane">shane is here</a>
<msporny> <html instanceof="foaf:Person">...</html>
Ben: we permit @instanceof on <HEAD>
Manu: so if permitted on <HEAD>, why not also on <HTML>
Shane: I don't think there would be any parser
ramifications
... the HTML WG has never extended the HTML element except for @lang
... HTML doesn't have @id or @class
Ben: consistency is nice, but let's defer to the HTML WG
Shane: in my opinion it would be find for <HTML> to permit the RDFa attributes as well as @id and @class; let's see what the HTML WG wants to do
[adjourned]