Chatlog 2008-07-14 UFDTF

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00:00:00 <IanH> PRESENT: Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH, Evan_Wallace, Deborah, Michel
00:00:00 <IanH> REGRETS: vipul
00:00:00 <IanH> CHAIR: IanH
14:02:24 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #owl
14:02:24 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/14-owl-irc
14:02:32 <IanH> zakim, this is owl
14:02:32 <Zakim> ok, IanH; that matches SW_OWL()10:00AM
14:02:43 <pfps> pfps has joined #owl
14:02:53 <IanH> zakim, this will be owl
14:02:53 <Zakim> ok, IanH, I see SW_OWL()10:00AM already started
14:03:27 <Deborah> Deborah has joined #owl
14:03:30 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
14:03:30 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.14
14:03:48 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
14:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P5, Evan_Wallace
14:03:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see dlm, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, sandro, trackbot
14:03:59 <IanH> zakim, ??p5 is me
14:03:59 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
14:04:06 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
14:04:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH, Evan_Wallace
14:04:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see dlm, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, sandro, trackbot
14:05:11 <Zakim> +Deb_McGuinness
14:06:26 <ewallace> look fine to me
14:06:32 <pfps> beautiful :-)
14:06:52 <ewallace> scribeNick: IanH
14:06:53 <pfps> scribenick: IanH
14:06:58 <IanH> PROPOSED: accept previous minutes
14:07:09 <IanH> RESOLVED: accept previous minutes
14:07:45 <pfps> he's dead, Jim.
14:07:46 <ewallace> agreed. action done
14:08:42 <IanH> Topic: Action items status
14:08:47 <Deborah> i think http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TraceabilityMatrix  is the filled out matrix
14:09:01 <IanH> Evan: action 153 is completed
14:09:18 <IanH> Topic: Use Case and Requirements document
14:09:44 <IanH> Evan: Christine has done a lot of work
14:10:05 <IanH> ... Vilup has created separate use case page and is working on it
14:10:34 <IanH> Evan: How to edit docuemt?
14:10:39 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications
14:11:42 <IanH> Ian: How would Michel's Google docs proposal work?
14:11:53 <IanH> Deborah: Has Peter got this working?
14:11:57 <IanH> Peter: No!
14:12:21 <IanH> Deborah: Working on local Wiki then copying over.
14:13:22 <IanH> Ian: Don't see there is really a problem any more.
14:13:46 <ewallace> Yes.  Wiki is silent about multiple editors.
14:14:14 <IanH> Deborah: big problem is that Vipul and Christine disagree on structure.
14:15:01 <IanH> Evan: let the two run in parallel for now then make a decision.
14:16:02 <IanH> Ian: Let's just get on with adding content.
14:17:04 <IanH> Ian: Logistics -- let's just carry on with the Wiki.
14:17:54 <IanH> Evan: Agree -- let's carry on with the Wiki for now and notify co-authors
14:18:48 <Deborah> so updates are best done to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ?
14:18:53 <IanH> Ian: OK, so let's go ahead with Wiki and add as much content as possible
14:19:10 <IanH> Evan: Yes, this is the right place
14:19:29 <IanH> ... you could also work on Vipul's part/version
14:19:46 <IanH> Deborah: prefer to work on Vipul's part
14:20:00 <IanH> Evan: fine -- please do that and we will merge later
14:20:29 <IanH> ... put use cases in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications
14:21:10 <IanH> Ian: schedule for review of draft?
14:21:51 <IanH> Evan: what is the deadline?
14:22:01 <IanH> Ian: at least one week ahead of F2F
14:24:44 <IanH> Evan: Let's freeze a version on Friday for F2F review
14:25:38 <IanH> ... can we only decide on Working Draft at F2F?
14:25:57 <IanH> Ian: No not at all.
14:26:25 <IanH> ... What about multiple parts?
14:26:32 <IanH> Evan: it will be a compound document
14:27:56 <pfps> yes
14:28:48 <IanH> Ian: Could we produce an HTML doc?
14:28:55 <IanH> pfps: need Sandro
14:29:15 <IanH> action: Evan will contact Sandro about HTML
14:29:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Will contact Sandro about HTML [on Evan Wallace - due 2008-07-21].
14:30:07 <IanH> Ian: I will but it on F2F agenda
14:30:23 <IanH> Topic: Date and time of next meeting
14:30:28 <IanH> Ian: next week
14:30:36 <Deborah> elisa and i promised to get something up at  http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Quick_Reference_Guide  for next monday
14:31:17 <IanH> Ian: when will it be there?
14:31:27 <IanH> Deborah: not until next Monday
14:31:45 <IanH> Ian: ASAP please.
14:31:58 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
14:32:01 <Zakim> -IanH
14:32:03 <Zakim> -Deb_McGuinness
14:32:04 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
14:32:05 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended
14:32:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Deb_McGuinness
14:37:10 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public
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14:59:20 <michel> *sigh*
14:59:35 <michel> my mistake, i thought it was at 11
15:00:23 <michel> so what's the deal
15:00:26 <ewallace> at 10 EDT these days
15:00:45 <ewallace> we decided to continue to use the Wiki 
15:00:58 <ewallace> we will produce a frozen draft on Friday
15:01:15 <ewallace> ... for review at the upcoming face-to-face meeting of the wg
15:01:21 <michel> in what manner should i participate
15:01:34 <michel> given the so-called "locks"
15:01:47 <ewallace> Christine is on vacation
15:02:09 <ewallace> we should be able to do joint editing
15:02:32 <ewallace> mediaWiki is supposed to sort out multiple simultaneous edits
15:02:38 <michel> o?
15:02:52 <ewallace> but things get screwed up when major changes are made
15:03:00 <michel> ok
15:03:12 <ewallace> and it doesn't warn folks that others are editing 
15:03:18 <michel> ya
15:03:27 <michel> so are we working from: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements
15:03:59 <ewallace> technically its http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
15:04:22 <michel> ok
15:04:37 <ewallace> and a second use cases section here:
15:04:37 <michel> are we agreed on the structure of the document
15:04:39 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications
15:04:58 <ewallace> We still have two views about use cases
15:05:31 <ewallace> hence the two sections
15:05:44 <michel> ok, we should resolve this
15:05:53 <ewallace> I figure that it will fall on me to merge the sections eventually
15:06:01 <michel> :-(
15:06:54 <ewallace> Because Christine has her own criteria for UC inclusion, I think we should add new UCs 
15:07:03 <ewallace> ... in Vipul's section
15:09:10 <ewallace> For now I just think of the document as having two use case sections
15:09:21 <michel> which should i edit?
15:10:04 <ewallace> I would say Vipul's if you are adding Use Cases, and RequirementsDraft for the rest
15:10:32 <michel> ok
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