00:00:00 <IanH> PRESENT: Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH, Evan_Wallace, Deborah, Michel
00:00:00 <IanH> REGRETS: vipul
00:00:00 <IanH> CHAIR: IanH
14:02:24 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/14-owl-irc
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14:02:32 <IanH> zakim, this is owl
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14:02:32 <Zakim> ok, IanH; that matches SW_OWL()10:00AM
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14:02:53 <IanH> zakim, this will be owl
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14:02:53 <Zakim> ok, IanH, I see SW_OWL()10:00AM already started
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14:03:30 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
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14:03:30 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.14
Ian Horrocks: IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.14 ←
14:03:48 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
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14:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P5, Evan_Wallace
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14:03:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see dlm, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, sandro, trackbot
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14:03:59 <IanH> zakim, ??p5 is me
Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??p5 is me ←
14:03:59 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
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14:04:06 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
14:04:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH, Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH, Evan_Wallace ←
14:04:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see dlm, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dlm, pfps, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, sandro, trackbot ←
14:05:11 <Zakim> +Deb_McGuinness
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14:06:26 <ewallace> look fine to me
Evan Wallace: look fine to me ←
14:06:32 <pfps> beautiful :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: beautiful :-) ←
14:06:52 <ewallace> scribeNick: IanH
(Scribe set to Ian Horrocks)
14:06:53 <pfps> scribenick: IanH
14:06:58 <IanH> PROPOSED: accept previous minutes
PROPOSED: accept previous minutes ←
14:07:09 <IanH> RESOLVED: accept previous minutes
RESOLVED: accept previous minutes ←
14:07:45 <pfps> he's dead, Jim.
Peter Patel-Schneider: he's dead, Jim. ←
14:07:46 <ewallace> agreed. action done
Evan Wallace: agreed. action done ←
14:08:42 <IanH> Topic: Action items status
14:08:47 <Deborah> i think http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TraceabilityMatrix is the filled out matrix
Deborah McGuinness: i think http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TraceabilityMatrix is the filled out matrix ←
14:09:01 <IanH> Evan: action 153 is completed
Evan Wallace: ACTION-153 is completed ←
14:09:18 <IanH> Topic: Use Case and Requirements document
14:09:44 <IanH> Evan: Christine has done a lot of work
Evan Wallace: Christine has done a lot of work ←
14:10:05 <IanH> ... Vilup has created separate use case page and is working on it
... Vilup has created separate use case page and is working on it ←
14:10:34 <IanH> Evan: How to edit docuemt?
Evan Wallace: How to edit docuemt? ←
14:10:39 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications
Evan Wallace: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications ←
14:11:42 <IanH> Ian: How would Michel's Google docs proposal work?
Ian Horrocks: How would Michel's Google docs proposal work? ←
14:11:53 <IanH> Deborah: Has Peter got this working?
Deborah McGuinness: Has Peter got this working? ←
14:11:57 <IanH> Peter: No!
Peter Patel-Schneider: No! ←
14:12:21 <IanH> Deborah: Working on local Wiki then copying over.
Deborah McGuinness: Working on local Wiki then copying over. ←
14:13:22 <IanH> Ian: Don't see there is really a problem any more.
Ian Horrocks: Don't see there is really a problem any more. ←
14:13:46 <ewallace> Yes. Wiki is silent about multiple editors.
Evan Wallace: Yes. Wiki is silent about multiple editors. ←
14:14:14 <IanH> Deborah: big problem is that Vipul and Christine disagree on structure.
Deborah McGuinness: big problem is that Vipul and Christine disagree on structure. ←
14:15:01 <IanH> Evan: let the two run in parallel for now then make a decision.
Evan Wallace: let the two run in parallel for now then make a decision. ←
14:16:02 <IanH> Ian: Let's just get on with adding content.
Ian Horrocks: Let's just get on with adding content. ←
14:17:04 <IanH> Ian: Logistics -- let's just carry on with the Wiki.
Ian Horrocks: Logistics -- let's just carry on with the Wiki. ←
14:17:54 <IanH> Evan: Agree -- let's carry on with the Wiki for now and notify co-authors
Evan Wallace: Agree -- let's carry on with the Wiki for now and notify co-authors ←
14:18:48 <Deborah> so updates are best done to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ?
Deborah McGuinness: so updates are best done to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ? ←
14:18:53 <IanH> Ian: OK, so let's go ahead with Wiki and add as much content as possible
Ian Horrocks: OK, so let's go ahead with Wiki and add as much content as possible ←
14:19:10 <IanH> Evan: Yes, this is the right place
Evan Wallace: Yes, this is the right place ←
14:19:29 <IanH> ... you could also work on Vipul's part/version
... you could also work on Vipul's part/version ←
14:19:46 <IanH> Deborah: prefer to work on Vipul's part
Deborah McGuinness: prefer to work on Vipul's part ←
14:20:00 <IanH> Evan: fine -- please do that and we will merge later
Evan Wallace: fine -- please do that and we will merge later ←
14:20:29 <IanH> ... put use cases in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications
... put use cases in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications ←
14:21:10 <IanH> Ian: schedule for review of draft?
Ian Horrocks: schedule for review of draft? ←
14:21:51 <IanH> Evan: what is the deadline?
Evan Wallace: what is the deadline? ←
14:22:01 <IanH> Ian: at least one week ahead of F2F
Ian Horrocks: at least one week ahead of F2F ←
14:24:44 <IanH> Evan: Let's freeze a version on Friday for F2F review
Evan Wallace: Let's freeze a version on Friday for F2F review ←
14:25:38 <IanH> ... can we only decide on Working Draft at F2F?
... can we only decide on Working Draft at F2F? ←
14:25:57 <IanH> Ian: No not at all.
Ian Horrocks: No not at all. ←
14:26:25 <IanH> ... What about multiple parts?
... What about multiple parts? ←
14:26:32 <IanH> Evan: it will be a compound document
Evan Wallace: it will be a compound document ←
14:27:56 <pfps> yes
Peter Patel-Schneider: yes ←
14:28:48 <IanH> Ian: Could we produce an HTML doc?
Ian Horrocks: Could we produce an HTML doc? ←
14:28:55 <IanH> pfps: need Sandro
Peter Patel-Schneider: need Sandro ←
14:29:15 <IanH> action: Evan will contact Sandro about HTML
ACTION: Evan will contact Sandro about HTML ←
14:29:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Will contact Sandro about HTML [on Evan Wallace - due 2008-07-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-167 - Will contact Sandro about HTML [on Evan Wallace - due 2008-07-21]. ←
14:30:07 <IanH> Ian: I will but it on F2F agenda
Ian Horrocks: I will but it on F2F agenda ←
14:30:23 <IanH> Topic: Date and time of next meeting
14:30:28 <IanH> Ian: next week
Ian Horrocks: next week ←
14:30:36 <Deborah> elisa and i promised to get something up at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Quick_Reference_Guide for next monday
Deborah McGuinness: elisa and i promised to get something up at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Quick_Reference_Guide for next monday ←
14:31:17 <IanH> Ian: when will it be there?
Ian Horrocks: when will it be there? ←
14:31:27 <IanH> Deborah: not until next Monday
Deborah McGuinness: not until next Monday ←
14:31:45 <IanH> Ian: ASAP please.
Ian Horrocks: ASAP please. ←
14:31:58 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
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14:32:01 <Zakim> -IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←
14:32:03 <Zakim> -Deb_McGuinness
Zakim IRC Bot: -Deb_McGuinness ←
14:32:04 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
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14:32:05 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended
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14:32:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Deb_McGuinness
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Deb_McGuinness ←
14:37:10 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public
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14:59:20 <michel> *sigh*
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Michel Dumontier: *sigh* ←
14:59:35 <michel> my mistake, i thought it was at 11
Michel Dumontier: my mistake, i thought it was at 11 ←
15:00:23 <michel> so what's the deal
Michel Dumontier: so what's the deal ←
15:00:26 <ewallace> at 10 EDT these days
Evan Wallace: at 10 EDT these days ←
15:00:45 <ewallace> we decided to continue to use the Wiki
Evan Wallace: we decided to continue to use the Wiki ←
15:00:58 <ewallace> we will produce a frozen draft on Friday
Evan Wallace: we will produce a frozen draft on Friday ←
15:01:15 <ewallace> ... for review at the upcoming face-to-face meeting of the wg
Evan Wallace: ... for review at the upcoming face-to-face meeting of the wg ←
15:01:21 <michel> in what manner should i participate
Michel Dumontier: in what manner should i participate ←
15:01:34 <michel> given the so-called "locks"
Michel Dumontier: given the so-called "locks" ←
15:01:47 <ewallace> Christine is on vacation
Evan Wallace: Christine is on vacation ←
15:02:09 <ewallace> we should be able to do joint editing
Evan Wallace: we should be able to do joint editing ←
15:02:32 <ewallace> mediaWiki is supposed to sort out multiple simultaneous edits
Evan Wallace: mediaWiki is supposed to sort out multiple simultaneous edits ←
15:02:38 <michel> o?
Michel Dumontier: o? ←
15:02:52 <ewallace> but things get screwed up when major changes are made
Evan Wallace: but things get screwed up when major changes are made ←
15:03:00 <michel> ok
Michel Dumontier: ok ←
15:03:12 <ewallace> and it doesn't warn folks that others are editing
Evan Wallace: and it doesn't warn folks that others are editing ←
15:03:18 <michel> ya
Michel Dumontier: ya ←
15:03:27 <michel> so are we working from: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements
Michel Dumontier: so are we working from: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements ←
15:03:59 <ewallace> technically its http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
Evan Wallace: technically its http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
15:04:22 <michel> ok
Michel Dumontier: ok ←
15:04:37 <ewallace> and a second use cases section here:
Evan Wallace: and a second use cases section here: ←
15:04:37 <michel> are we agreed on the structure of the document
Michel Dumontier: are we agreed on the structure of the document ←
15:04:39 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications
Evan Wallace: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications ←
15:04:58 <ewallace> We still have two views about use cases
Evan Wallace: We still have two views about use cases ←
15:05:31 <ewallace> hence the two sections
Evan Wallace: hence the two sections ←
15:05:44 <michel> ok, we should resolve this
Michel Dumontier: ok, we should resolve this ←
15:05:53 <ewallace> I figure that it will fall on me to merge the sections eventually
Evan Wallace: I figure that it will fall on me to merge the sections eventually ←
15:06:01 <michel> :-(
Michel Dumontier: :-( ←
15:06:54 <ewallace> Because Christine has her own criteria for UC inclusion, I think we should add new UCs
Evan Wallace: Because Christine has her own criteria for UC inclusion, I think we should add new UCs ←
15:07:03 <ewallace> ... in Vipul's section
Evan Wallace: ... in Vipul's section ←
15:09:10 <ewallace> For now I just think of the document as having two use case sections
Evan Wallace: For now I just think of the document as having two use case sections ←
15:09:21 <michel> which should i edit?
Michel Dumontier: which should i edit? ←
15:10:04 <ewallace> I would say Vipul's if you are adding Use Cases, and RequirementsDraft for the rest
Evan Wallace: I would say Vipul's if you are adding Use Cases, and RequirementsDraft for the rest ←
15:10:32 <michel> ok
Michel Dumontier: ok ←
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