OWL Working Group - UFDTF Subgroup

Draft Minutes of 02 June 2008

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Evan Wallace Alan Ruttenberg Vipul Kashyap Bijan Parsia Michel Dumontier Christine Golbreich
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14:00:00 <> PRESENT: ewallace, ruttenberg, vipul, bijan, michel, Christine
14:00:00 <> SCRIBE: ewallace

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14:00:32 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-owl-irc

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14:01:02 <ewallace> ewallace has changed the topic to: UFDTF telecon 2June2008

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14:01:30 <ewallace> Zakim, this will be owlwg

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14:01:30 <Zakim> ok, ewallace; I see SW_OWL()10:00AM scheduled to start now

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14:01:41 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has now started

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14:01:49 <Zakim> +jar

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14:03:52 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

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14:04:02 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap

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14:04:40 <ewallace> Topic: UFDTF page revisions

1. UFDTF page revisions

14:04:55 <ewallace> ewallace: I updated the UFDTF page to include a list of our workproducts

Evan Wallace: I updated the UFDTF page to include a list of our workproducts (link)

14:04:56 <ewallace> ... http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF#Document_details

... http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF#Document_details (link)

14:04:57 <ewallace> ewallace: and created a Req's doc resource page at

Evan Wallace: and created a Req's doc resource page at (link)

14:04:58 <ewallace> ... http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space

... http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space (link)

14:05:00 <ewallace> ewallace: Alan would you please add a link to the UFDTF page from the main  OWL wg page?

Evan Wallace: Alan would you please add a link to the UFDTF page from the main OWL wg page? (link)

14:07:31 <alanr> sidebar is updated

Alan Ruttenberg: sidebar is updated (link)

14:07:45 <ewallace> thanks

thanks (link)

14:08:38 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap

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14:09:20 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap

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14:09:38 <Zakim> +??P18

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14:14:40 <ewallace> Topic: Discussion of how to organize requirements document

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2. Discussion of how to organize requirements document

14:15:27 <ewallace> bijan: I think that we should be going from features to the requirements

Bijan Parsia: I think that we should be going from features to the requirements (link)

14:15:40 <ewallace> bijan: its faster and more scoped

Bijan Parsia: its faster and more scoped (link)

14:15:57 <ewallace> bijan: its also more modulor

Bijan Parsia: its also more modulor (link)

14:17:10 <bijan> I don't think the requirements document *should* be for newbies to owl

Bijan Parsia: I don't think the requirements document *should* be for newbies to owl (link)

14:17:13 <bijan> we have a primer

Bijan Parsia: we have a primer (link)

14:17:43 <bijan> I also suggest we leave this to the editors

Bijan Parsia: I also suggest we leave this to the editors (link)

14:18:04 <ewallace> alan: collect a list of features and other aspects of the design to drive writing

Alan Ruttenberg: collect a list of features and other aspects of the design to drive writing (link)

14:18:23 <ewallace> bijan: we should go do it

Bijan Parsia: we should go do it (link)

14:20:20 <ewallace> christine: I prefer features to requirements also

Christine Golbreich: I prefer features to requirements also (link)

14:21:07 <ewallace> christine: I have some difficulty catch-up on OWL profiles

Christine Golbreich: I have some difficulty catch-up on OWL profiles (link)

14:21:30 <ewallace> christine: list all features with examples and more description

Christine Golbreich: list all features with examples and more description (link)

14:21:40 <ewallace> ... make clear motivations

... make clear motivations (link)

14:23:24 <ewallace> bijan: if we pile on the features at the start will make it hard to ever get done

Bijan Parsia: if we pile on the features at the start will make it hard to ever get done (link)

14:23:40 <ewallace> vipul: I agree with Bijan

Vipul Kashyap: I agree with Bijan (link)

14:23:59 <ewallace> ... the scope is to limit to OWL2

... the scope is to limit to OWL2 (link)

14:24:30 <bijan> (But what he said he agreed with wasn't what I said :))

Bijan Parsia: (But what he said he agreed with wasn't what I said :)) (link)

14:25:11 <bijan> The OWLED education task force is working on profile primers:

Bijan Parsia: The OWLED education task force is working on profile primers: (link)

14:25:13 <bijan> http://wiki.webont.org/page/DL_Lite_Primer

Bijan Parsia: http://wiki.webont.org/page/DL_Lite_Primer (link)

14:25:24 <bijan> http://wiki.webont.org/page/EL%2B%2B_Primer

Bijan Parsia: http://wiki.webont.org/page/EL%2B%2B_Primer (link)

14:25:47 <michel> hi!

Michel Dumontier: hi! (link)

14:25:48 <ewallace> Alan: who is going to do writing on the Reqs doc

Alan Ruttenberg: who is going to do writing on the Reqs doc (link)

14:26:11 <ewallace> Evan, Vipul, Christine, Michel

Evan, Vipul, Christine, Michel (link)

14:26:49 <bijan> +1 to not another ref

Bijan Parsia: +1 to not another ref (link)

14:27:20 <ewallace> alan: I am hearing a couple of things

Alan Ruttenberg: I am hearing a couple of things (link)

14:27:37 <vipul> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TraceabilityMatrix

Vipul Kashyap: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TraceabilityMatrix (link)

14:28:07 <ewallace> ... Are you interested in providing a detailed outline?

... Are you interested in providing a detailed outline? (link)

14:28:38 <ewallace> vipul: I have a Framework rather than an outline

Vipul Kashyap: I have a Framework rather than an outline (link)

14:30:12 <ewallace> action: vipul to start filling out matrix

ACTION: vipul to start filling out matrix (link)

14:30:12 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-153 - Start filling out matrix [on Vipul Kashyap - due 2008-06-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-153 - Start filling out matrix [on Vipul Kashyap - due 2008-06-09]. (link)

14:33:47 <bijan> http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/overview.html

Bijan Parsia: http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/overview.html (link)

14:35:14 <ewallace> christine: have some button to show and hide domains

Christine Golbreich: have some button to show and hide domains (link)

14:37:01 <michel> +1

Michel Dumontier: +1 (link)

14:37:07 <ewallace> bijan: I would like the requirements to be stated at a higher level

Bijan Parsia: I would like the requirements to be stated at a higher level (link)

14:38:07 <ewallace> vipul: this is a generalization of Michel's table

Vipul Kashyap: this is a generalization of Michel's table (link)

14:38:55 <ewallace> vipul: biomedical users will get lost by the details of language feature

Vipul Kashyap: biomedical users will get lost by the details of language feature (link)

14:39:26 <ewallace> vipul: but expressed in his own domain he is more likely to understand

Vipul Kashyap: but expressed in his own domain he is more likely to understand (link)

14:42:25 <bijan> re evan: I think the SHROIQ heading is sucky too; so I'm not for the exact categories, but some similarness

Bijan Parsia: re evan: I think the SHROIQ heading is sucky too; so I'm not for the exact categories, but some similarness (link)

14:43:38 <ewallace> bijan: I think that incorporating lots and lots of details is probably too much

Bijan Parsia: I think that incorporating lots and lots of details is probably too much (link)

14:43:50 <alanr> q+ alanr to talk about not domain specific requirements (e.g. implementor)

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr to talk about not domain specific requirements (e.g. implementor) (link)

14:44:13 <ewallace> ewallace: I agree that we don't want to have complete coverage across all domains

Evan Wallace: I agree that we don't want to have complete coverage across all domains (link)

14:44:58 <alanr> ack vipul

Alan Ruttenberg: ack vipul (link)

14:46:04 <bijan> The meta-requirements:

Bijan Parsia: The meta-requirements: (link)

14:46:06 <bijan> Usage of OWL, particularly the OWL DL species of OWL, has identified several constructs that are of considerable utility and that fit well within the representation philosophy of OWL DL. Advances in the theory of Description Logics have provided a basis for reasoning with constructs that are not part of OWL, or not part of OWL DL.

Bijan Parsia: Usage of OWL, particularly the OWL DL species of OWL, has identified several constructs that are of considerable utility and that fit well within the representation philosophy of OWL DL. Advances in the theory of Description Logics have provided a basis for reasoning with constructs that are not part of OWL, or not part of OWL DL. (link)

14:46:27 <bijan> For both these reasons, it was decided at the first OWL: Experiences and Directions workshop to design an extension to the OWL DL species of OWL. The extension is designed to provide simple extensions to OWL DL that

Bijan Parsia: For both these reasons, it was decided at the first OWL: Experiences and Directions workshop to design an extension to the OWL DL species of OWL. The extension is designed to provide simple extensions to OWL DL that (link)

14:46:37 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space#Misc

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space#Misc (link)

14:47:35 <alanr> interoperability requirements?

Alan Ruttenberg: interoperability requirements? (link)

14:47:39 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to talk about not domain specific requirements (e.g. implementor)

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to talk about not domain specific requirements (e.g. implementor) (link)

14:47:44 <ewallace> alan: is there any input other than implementer and domain specific giving requirements

Alan Ruttenberg: is there any input other than implementer and domain specific giving requirements (link)

14:48:00 <ewallace> alan: such as general semantic web

Alan Ruttenberg: such as general semantic web (link)

14:48:05 <bijan> Feel free to add

Bijan Parsia: Feel free to add (link)

14:49:10 <bijan> It hurts me!

Bijan Parsia: It hurts me! (link)

14:49:16 <bijan> OW

Bijan Parsia: OW (link)

14:49:31 <bijan> Plus, the link could be far fetched

Bijan Parsia: Plus, the link could be far fetched (link)

14:50:08 <ewallace> alan: Over the week, think of other sources of design inputs

Alan Ruttenberg: Over the week, think of other sources of design inputs (link)

14:51:22 <ewallace> bijan: we should cast our net wider if we want to properly capture the other inputs

Bijan Parsia: we should cast our net wider if we want to properly capture the other inputs (link)

14:51:39 <vipul> Proposal: Could Christine and Michel help us step through the OWLED?

PROPOSED: Could Christine and Michel help us step through the OWLED? (link)

14:51:50 <ewallace> bijan: this seems like a really massive task to be complete about it

Bijan Parsia: this seems like a really massive task to be complete about it (link)

14:52:38 <michel> too much

Michel Dumontier: too much (link)

14:52:41 <michel> no.

Michel Dumontier: no. (link)

14:52:50 <vipul> +1 to incomplete but useful and true

Vipul Kashyap: +1 to incomplete but useful and true (link)

14:52:56 <ewallace> alan: I think whatever we could pull up with a reasonable effort would be good

Alan Ruttenberg: I think whatever we could pull up with a reasonable effort would be good (link)

14:53:35 <bijan> Uhm...So have I :)

Bijan Parsia: Uhm...So have I :) (link)

14:56:31 <ewallace> michel: sort of generalized the modeling requirements, like an FAQ

Michel Dumontier: sort of generalized the modeling requirements, like an FAQ (link)

15:00:44 <ewallace> michel: I don't think it's feasible to collect specific egs for every feature for every domain

Michel Dumontier: I don't think it's feasible to collect specific egs for every feature for every domain (link)

15:02:04 <ewallace> michel: how does this relate to the Primer which also has examples

Michel Dumontier: how does this relate to the Primer which also has examples (link)

15:03:45 <ewallace> michel: perhaps we should do different views

Michel Dumontier: perhaps we should do different views (link)

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15:06:33 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended

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15:06:34 <Zakim> Attendees were jar, Evan_Wallace, Vipul_Kashyap

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15:07:10 <ewallace> ScribeNick: Evan_Wallace
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15:07:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-owl-minutes.html ewallace

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