00:00:00 <sandro> (this RRSAgent log isn't really an RRSAgent log. We forgot to invite RRSAgent, so I took my xchat log and converted it to RRSAgent format and put it here.)
Sandro Hawke: (this RRSAgent log isn't really an RRSAgent log. We forgot to invite RRSAgent, so I took my xchat log and converted it to RRSAgent format and put it here.) ←
00:00:00 <scribenick> Present: Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, bmotik, bcuencagrau, bijan, Alan Ruttenberg, Achille, msmith, ewallace, baojie, zimmer, bcuencagrau, Ratnesh, pfps, bmotik, bijan, sandro, Michael Schneider, Zhe, zimmer, markus, Christine Golbreich, Jeff Pan, calvanese
16:49:08 <bmotik> Zakim, this will be owl
(No events recorded for 1009 minutes)
Boris Motik: Zakim, this will be owl ←
16:49:08 <Zakim> ok, bmotik; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bmotik; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes ←
16:56:26 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started
(No events recorded for 7 minutes)
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started ←
16:56:33 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
16:56:56 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
16:56:56 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
16:56:58 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
16:57:31 <Zakim> +aliman
Zakim IRC Bot: +aliman ←
16:57:44 <bmotik> Zakim, aliman is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, aliman is me ←
16:57:44 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
16:57:48 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
16:57:48 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
16:58:13 <Zakim> +bmotik.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik.a ←
16:58:19 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
16:58:23 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, bmotik.a is bcuencagrau
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, bmotik.a is bcuencagrau ←
16:58:23 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it ←
16:58:26 <bijan> zakim, ??p11 is me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??p11 is me ←
16:58:26 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←
16:58:28 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
16:58:28 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted ←
16:58:30 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
16:58:30 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
16:59:50 <Zakim> + +03539158aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +03539158aaaa ←
17:00:17 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aabb ←
17:01:07 <zimmer> Zakim, +03539158aaaa is mme
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, +03539158aaaa is mme ←
17:01:07 <Zakim> +mme; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mme; got it ←
17:01:18 <zimmer> Zakim, +03539158aaaa is me
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, +03539158aaaa is me ←
17:01:18 <Zakim> sorry, zimmer, I do not recognize a party named '+03539158aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zimmer, I do not recognize a party named '+03539158aaaa' ←
17:01:45 <zimmer> Zakim, 03539158aaaa is me
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, 03539158aaaa is me ←
17:01:45 <Zakim> sorry, zimmer, I do not recognize a party named '03539158aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zimmer, I do not recognize a party named '03539158aaaa' ←
17:02:31 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Rees
Zakim IRC Bot: +Jonathan_Rees ←
17:02:59 <alanr> zakim, Jonathan_Rees is me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, Jonathan_Rees is me ←
17:02:59 <Zakim> +alanr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it ←
17:04:33 <ivan> scribenick: pfps
(Scribe set to Peter Patel-Schneider)
17:04:48 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.408.aacc ←
17:04:51 <pfps> Topic: Admin
17:04:55 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:04:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), bijan (muted), mme, +1.518.276.aabb, alanr, +1.202.408.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), bijan (muted), mme, +1.518.276.aabb, alanr, +1.202.408.aacc ←
17:04:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see Achille, msmith, ewallace, baojie, zimmer, alanr, bcuencagrau, ivan, Ratnesh, pfps, Zakim, bmotik, bijan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Achille, msmith, ewallace, baojie, zimmer, alanr, bcuencagrau, ivan, Ratnesh, pfps, Zakim, bmotik, bijan, sandro, trackbot ←
17:05:10 <pfps> SubTopic: Agenda amendments
17:05:26 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
17:05:31 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:05:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), bijan (muted), mme, +1.518.276.aabb, alanr, msmith, [IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), bijan (muted), mme, +1.518.276.aabb, alanr, msmith, [IBM] ←
17:05:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see Achille, msmith, ewallace, baojie, zimmer, alanr, bcuencagrau, ivan, Ratnesh, pfps, Zakim, bmotik, bijan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Achille, msmith, ewallace, baojie, zimmer, alanr, bcuencagrau, ivan, Ratnesh, pfps, Zakim, bmotik, bijan, sandro, trackbot ←
17:05:43 <baojie> Zakim, aabb is baojie
Jie Bao: Zakim, aabb is baojie ←
17:05:43 <Zakim> +baojie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it ←
17:05:43 <pfps> SubTopic: Minutes
17:05:46 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
17:05:48 <Achille> zakim, ibm is me
Achille Fokoue: zakim, ibm is me ←
17:05:48 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
17:05:57 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
17:06:01 <Zakim> +??P22
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22 ←
17:06:04 <ivan> ack pfps
Ivan Herman: ack pfps ←
17:06:09 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
17:06:11 <pfps> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (4 March)
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (4 March) ←
17:06:15 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:06:17 <pfps> alanr: comprehensible
Alan Ruttenberg: comprehensible ←
17:06:17 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:06:21 <pfps> pfps: minimally acceptable
Peter Patel-Schneider: minimally acceptable ←
17:06:23 <pfps> pfps: +1
17:06:24 <zimmer> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
17:06:25 <christine> q
17:06:30 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:06:59 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
17:07:05 <pfps> christine: minutes cut off
Christine Golbreich: minutes cut off ←
17:07:06 <schneid> zakim, ??P1 is me
Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P1 is me ←
17:07:09 <Zakim> +schneid; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +schneid; got it ←
17:07:09 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
17:07:12 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:07:19 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
17:07:19 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
17:07:21 <christine> zakim, ??P1 is me
Christine Golbreich: zakim, ??P1 is me ←
17:07:38 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aadd ←
17:07:39 <Zakim> I already had ??P1 as schneid, christine
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P1 as schneid, christine ←
17:07:40 <pfps> pfps: what is missing
Peter Patel-Schneider: what is missing ←
17:07:44 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:07:48 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
17:07:49 <Zhe> zakim, +1.603.897.aadd is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.897.aadd is me ←
17:07:49 <pfps> christine: IRC occured after end
Christine Golbreich: IRC occured after end ←
17:07:51 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
17:07:56 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it ←
17:07:56 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
17:08:19 <pfps> pfps: discussion was not part of the meeting
Peter Patel-Schneider: discussion was not part of the meeting ←
17:08:27 <msmith> I don't see anything else at http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-owl-irc
Mike Smith: I don't see anything else at http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-owl-irc ←
17:08:38 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
17:08:45 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
17:09:26 <zimmer> zakim, mme is really zimmer
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mme is really zimmer ←
17:09:26 <Zakim> +zimmer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +zimmer; got it ←
17:09:50 <pfps> alanr: things that happen after the meeting are not part of the meeting
Alan Ruttenberg: things that happen after the meeting are not part of the meeting ←
17:10:05 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
17:10:16 <sandro> I guess we're talking about these lines in the irc:
Sandro Hawke: I guess we're talking about these lines in the irc: ←
17:10:16 <sandro> 19_36_45 [uli_] am i scribing this?
Sandro Hawke: 19_36_45 [uli_] am i scribing this? ←
17:10:16 <sandro> 19_36_55 [uli_] i thought so
Sandro Hawke: 19_36_55 [uli_] i thought so ←
17:10:16 <sandro> 19_41_28 [msmith] msmith has left #owl
Sandro Hawke: 19_41_28 [msmith] msmith has left #owl ←
17:10:16 <sandro> 19_52_01 [uli_] DisjointUnion(A B1 B2 ...Bk)
Sandro Hawke: 19_52_01 [uli_] DisjointUnion(A B1 B2 ...Bk) ←
17:10:16 <sandro> 19_53_10 [uli_] HasSelf(R)
Sandro Hawke: 19_53_10 [uli_] HasSelf(R) ←
17:10:16 <sandro> 19_53_41 [uli_] MaxCardinality(n R C)
Sandro Hawke: 19_53_41 [uli_] MaxCardinality(n R C) ←
17:10:35 <sandro> (that was from http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-owl-irc)
Sandro Hawke: (that was from http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-owl-irc) ←
17:10:49 <sandro> (and rightfully cut from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2009-03-04 )
Sandro Hawke: (and rightfully cut from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2009-03-04 ) ←
17:10:37 <pfps> Resolved: accept minutes of Mar 4
RESOLVED: accept minutes of Mar 4 ←
17:11:27 <pfps> sandro: discussion from last week is added to records of this meeting
Sandro Hawke: discussion from last week is added to records of this meeting ←
17:11:32 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:11:34 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:11:36 <pfps> Subtopic: Action item status
17:11:50 <pfps> alanr: pending review actions
Alan Ruttenberg: pending review actions ←
17:12:14 <pfps> alanr: what about 301 - is Andy happy?
Alan Ruttenberg: what about 301 - is Andy happy? ←
17:12:25 <pfps> baojie: didn't hear anything back
Jie Bao: didn't hear anything back ←
17:12:26 <bijan> Perhaps I should take it
Bijan Parsia: Perhaps I should take it ←
17:12:31 <pfps> alanr: keep open?
Alan Ruttenberg: keep open? ←
17:12:31 <bijan> I'm interacting with andy via sparql
Bijan Parsia: I'm interacting with andy via sparql ←
17:12:55 <pfps> sandro: please ping andy and tell him we want to republish soon
Sandro Hawke: please ping andy and tell him we want to republish soon ←
17:13:10 <pfps> alanr: please adjust status of 301
Alan Ruttenberg: please adjust status of 301 ←
17:13:23 <pfps> baojie: OK
17:13:23 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:13:26 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
17:13:27 <pfps> q-
q- ←
17:13:42 <pfps> SubTopic: Due and Overdue Actions
17:14:10 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
17:14:49 <pfps> boris: 270 will be picked up in current edits
Boris Motik: 270 will be picked up in current edits ←
17:15:01 <pfps> boris: currently in progress
Boris Motik: currently in progress ←
17:15:19 <pfps> sandro: ongoing discussion with RIF on 292
Sandro Hawke: ongoing discussion with RIF on 292 ←
17:15:28 <pfps> alanr: 300 is done
Alan Ruttenberg: 300 is done ←
17:15:39 <pfps> sandro: waiting on 299 until publication
Sandro Hawke: waiting on 299 until publication ←
17:15:49 <pfps> alanr: 283 is done
Alan Ruttenberg: 283 is done ←
17:15:58 <pfps> Topic: Datatypes
17:16:13 <pfps> alanr: several (draft) proposals on the table
Alan Ruttenberg: several (draft) proposals on the table ←
17:16:20 <bijan> I'm good with it
Bijan Parsia: I'm good with it ←
17:16:25 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:16:28 <alanr> Proposal: Add named datatypes to OWL 2 - one definition per datatype not in the datatype map, acyclic, as per email from Boris and mentioned in LC Comments 51 and 62.
PROPOSED: Add named datatypes to OWL 2 - one definition per datatype not in the datatype map, acyclic, as per email from Boris and mentioned in LC Comments 51 and 62. ←
17:16:36 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
17:16:37 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:16:37 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:16:39 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:16:40 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
17:16:40 <msmith> +1
Mike Smith: +1 ←
17:16:41 <schneid> +1
Michael Schneider: +1 ←
17:16:42 <christine> +1
Christine Golbreich: +1 ←
17:16:43 <zimmer> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
17:16:45 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:16:47 <pfps> pfps: +1
17:16:47 <baojie> +1
17:16:47 <Ratnesh> +1
Ratnesh Sahay: +1 ←
17:16:48 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
17:16:48 <Zhe> +1
17:16:51 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
17:16:59 <pfps> Resolved: Add named datatypes to OWL 2 - one definition per datatype not in the datatype map, acyclic, as per email from Boris and mentioned in LC Comments 51 and 62.
RESOLVED: Add named datatypes to OWL 2 - one definition per datatype not in the datatype map, acyclic, as per email from Boris and mentioned in LC Comments 51 and 62. ←
17:17:33 <pfps> alanr: datatype disjointness - Sandro will moderate
Alan Ruttenberg: datatype disjointness - Sandro will moderate ←
17:17:44 <pfps> Draft Proposal: OWL 2 datatypes will have disjointness as in XML Schema (i.e., the datatypes xsd:string, xsd:boolean, owl:real, xsd:float, xsd:double, xsd:dateTimeStamp, xsd:hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary, and xsd:anyURI are pairwise disjoint), as requested in LC Comments 22 and 24.
Draft Proposal: OWL 2 datatypes will have disjointness as in XML Schema (i.e., the datatypes xsd:string, xsd:boolean, owl:real, xsd:float, xsd:double, xsd:dateTimeStamp, xsd:hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary, and xsd:anyURI are pairwise disjoint), as requested in LC Comments 22 and 24. ←
17:18:02 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:18:15 <ivan> ack pfps
Ivan Herman: ack pfps ←
17:18:26 <pfps> sandro: discussed at F2F5 - Alan and Zhe wanted to wait
Sandro Hawke: discussed at F2F5 - Alan and Zhe wanted to wait ←
17:18:36 <pfps> sandro: Zhe seems to be comfortable now
Sandro Hawke: Zhe seems to be comfortable now ←
17:18:45 <pfps> q-
q- ←
17:19:13 <pfps> alanr: communicated with Chris Welty (RIF chair)
Alan Ruttenberg: communicated with Chris Welty (RIF chair) ←
17:19:25 <Zhe> q+
17:19:26 <schneid> alan, if we *keep* disjointness?
Michael Schneider: alan, if we *keep* disjointness? ←
17:19:31 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:19:44 <pfps> alanr: Rees unhappy if we have the extra disjointness
Alan Ruttenberg: Rees unhappy if we have the extra disjointness ←
17:19:44 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:19:44 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:20:10 <pfps> alanr: XML Schema has issues for us and is not unhappy with our current design
Alan Ruttenberg: XML Schema has issues for us and is not unhappy with our current design ←
17:20:22 <pfps> alanr: so no need to change and little gain
Alan Ruttenberg: so no need to change and little gain ←
17:20:22 <schneid> alanr: jonathan rees considers formally objecting against disjointness
Alan Ruttenberg: jonathan rees considers formally objecting against disjointness [ Scribe Assist by Michael Schneider ] ←
17:20:26 <sandro> ack Zhe
Sandro Hawke: ack Zhe ←
17:20:46 <sandro> (Gary Hallmark)
Sandro Hawke: (Gary Hallmark) ←
17:20:55 <sandro> (the Oracle rep in RIF)
Sandro Hawke: (the Oracle rep in RIF) ←
17:21:18 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:21:18 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
17:21:18 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
17:21:19 <pfps> zhe: talked to Oracle's RIF rep and team - want to be aligned with XML schema
Zhe Wu: talked to Oracle's RIF rep and team - want to be aligned with XML schema ←
17:21:22 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:21:22 <Zakim> bmotik was already muted, bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik was already muted, bmotik ←
17:22:02 <pfps> bijan: SC is likely to object if disjointness changed, Manchester likely to object if not changed
Bijan Parsia: SC is likely to object if disjointness changed, Manchester likely to object if not changed ←
17:22:20 <pfps> bijan: I think that we made a mistake and we should change
Bijan Parsia: I think that we made a mistake and we should change ←
17:22:21 <Zhe> Oracle wants OWL spec to be aligned with XML schema in terms of datatype disjointness
Zhe Wu: Oracle wants OWL spec to be aligned with XML schema in terms of datatype disjointness ←
17:22:27 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
17:22:33 <pfps> sandro: what about the binary DTs
Sandro Hawke: what about the binary DTs ←
17:22:49 <pfps> bijan: because all primitives are disjoint
Bijan Parsia: because all primitives are disjoint ←
17:23:01 <msmith> q- bijan covered it
Mike Smith: q- bijan covered it ←
17:23:04 <msmith> q-
Mike Smith: q- ←
17:23:13 <pfps> bijan: so no conversion/coersion is needed
Bijan Parsia: so no conversion/coersion is needed ←
17:23:14 <alanr> I don't think it's right but I wouldn't object.
Alan Ruttenberg: I don't think it's right but I wouldn't object. ←
17:23:45 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:23:45 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:24:04 <pfps> sandro: other objections?
Sandro Hawke: other objections? ←
17:24:13 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
17:24:13 <pfps> pfps: not object but strong for disjoint
Peter Patel-Schneider: not object but strong for disjoint ←
17:24:19 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
17:24:19 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
17:24:21 <sandro> ack schneid
Sandro Hawke: ack schneid ←
17:24:36 <pfps> schneid: need to talk to my institute for objection
Michael Schneider: need to talk to my institute for objection ←
17:24:45 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
17:24:49 <sandro> ack pfps
Sandro Hawke: ack pfps ←
17:25:18 <pfps> pfps: for an objection, only?
Peter Patel-Schneider: for an objection, only? ←
17:25:21 <pfps> schneid: right
Michael Schneider: right ←
17:25:32 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:25:39 <bmotik> 1+
Boris Motik: 1+ ←
17:25:41 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:25:46 <pfps> sandro: no need to wait on vote
Sandro Hawke: no need to wait on vote ←
17:25:48 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:25:48 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:25:48 <sandro> ack alanr
Sandro Hawke: ack alanr ←
17:25:48 <bijan> +1 to sandro's assessment
Bijan Parsia: +1 to sandro's assessment ←
17:25:50 <ivan> ack alanr
Ivan Herman: ack alanr ←
17:25:57 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:26:02 <pfps> alanr: what about discussion with RIF
Alan Ruttenberg: what about discussion with RIF ←
17:26:16 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:26:19 <pfps> sandro: most opinions don't depend on RIF, I think
Sandro Hawke: most opinions don't depend on RIF, I think ←
17:26:36 <schneid> schneid: All I said is that I will consult with my institute to see where we stand, and how strong, since compatibilty questions are generally relevant for us
Michael Schneider: All I said is that I will consult with my institute to see where we stand, and how strong, since compatibilty questions are generally relevant for us [ Scribe Assist by Michael Schneider ] ←
17:26:41 <bijan> I wouldn't change my mind
Bijan Parsia: I wouldn't change my mind ←
17:26:47 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:26:50 <sandro> ack bmotik
Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik ←
17:26:51 <pfps> sandro: if RIF changes, then this might trigger some more discussion
Sandro Hawke: if RIF changes, then this might trigger some more discussion ←
17:27:01 <pfps> boris: vote on numerics or all?
Boris Motik: vote on numerics or all? ←
17:27:11 <sandro> PROPOSED: OWL 2 datatypes will have disjointness as in XML Schema (i.e., the datatypes xsd:string, xsd:boolean, owl:real, xsd:float, xsd:double, xsd:dateTimeStamp, xsd:hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary, and xsd:anyURI are pairwise disjoint), as requested in LC Comments 22 and 24.
PROPOSED: OWL 2 datatypes will have disjointness as in XML Schema (i.e., the datatypes xsd:string, xsd:boolean, owl:real, xsd:float, xsd:double, xsd:dateTimeStamp, xsd:hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary, and xsd:anyURI are pairwise disjoint), as requested in LC Comments 22 and 24. ←
17:27:17 <pfps> sandro: proposal is as in XML Schema
Sandro Hawke: proposal is as in XML Schema ←
17:27:37 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
17:27:38 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
17:27:40 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:27:41 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
17:27:48 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:27:48 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
17:28:02 <pfps> bijan: could SC change depending on RIF discussion?
Bijan Parsia: could SC change depending on RIF discussion? ←
17:28:07 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:28:09 <sandro> ack alanr
Sandro Hawke: ack alanr ←
17:28:30 <pfps> alanr: can't rule it out
Alan Ruttenberg: can't rule it out ←
17:28:43 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:28:43 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:28:48 <pfps> alanr: is there new information?
Alan Ruttenberg: is there new information? ←
17:28:51 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:28:52 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:28:53 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
17:29:02 <pfps> sandro: implementation report is new information
Sandro Hawke: implementation report is new information ←
17:29:10 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
17:29:22 <alanr> disagree that they were strongest champion
Alan Ruttenberg: disagree that they were strongest champion ←
17:29:50 <pfps> bijan: and also change from Oxford, Oracle
Bijan Parsia: and also change from Oxford, Oracle ←
17:29:58 <sandro> ack alanr
Sandro Hawke: ack alanr ←
17:30:16 <sandro> ack pfps
Sandro Hawke: ack pfps ←
17:30:27 <alanr> good point
Alan Ruttenberg: good point ←
17:30:30 <pfps> pfps: we also have LC comments on the issue
Peter Patel-Schneider: we also have LC comments on the issue ←
17:30:42 <sandro> PROPOSED: OWL 2 datatypes will have disjointness as in XML Schema (i.e., the datatypes xsd:string, xsd:boolean, owl:real, xsd:float, xsd:double, xsd:dateTimeStamp, xsd:hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary, and xsd:anyURI are pairwise disjoint), as requested in LC Comments 22 and 24.
PROPOSED: OWL 2 datatypes will have disjointness as in XML Schema (i.e., the datatypes xsd:string, xsd:boolean, owl:real, xsd:float, xsd:double, xsd:dateTimeStamp, xsd:hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary, and xsd:anyURI are pairwise disjoint), as requested in LC Comments 22 and 24. ←
17:31:01 <sandro> (formal vote by organization, expecting objection from Science Commons.)
Sandro Hawke: (formal vote by organization, expecting objection from Science Commons.) ←
17:30:53 <ewallace> +1 (NIST)
Evan Wallace: +1 (NIST) ←
17:30:54 <pfps> pfps: +1 ALU
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 ALU ←
17:30:59 <bijan> +1 (Manchester)
Bijan Parsia: +1 (Manchester) ←
17:31:00 <schneid> +1 (FZI)
Michael Schneider: +1 (FZI) ←
17:31:01 <alanr> -1 (Science Commons)
Alan Ruttenberg: -1 (Science Commons) ←
17:31:02 <bmotik> +1 (Oxford)
Boris Motik: +1 (Oxford) ←
17:31:03 <Achille> +1 (IBM)
Achille Fokoue: +1 (IBM) ←
17:31:04 <baojie> +1 (RPI)
17:31:07 <Zhe> +1 ORACLE
17:31:07 <christine> +1
Christine Golbreich: +1 ←
17:31:11 <zimmer> +1 (DERI)
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 (DERI) ←
17:31:11 <ivan> +1 (W3C)
Ivan Herman: +1 (W3C) ←
17:31:12 <Ratnesh> +1
Ratnesh Sahay: +1 ←
17:31:23 <msmith> +1 C&P
Mike Smith: +1 C&P ←
17:31:54 <sandro> RESOLVED: (over one objection) OWL 2 datatypes will have disjointness as in XML Schema (i.e., the datatypes xsd:string, xsd:boolean, owl:real, xsd:float, xsd:double, xsd:dateTimeStamp, xsd:hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary, and xsd:anyURI are pairwise disjoint), as requested in LC Comments 22 and 24.
RESOLVED: (over one objection) OWL 2 datatypes will have disjointness as in XML Schema (i.e., the datatypes xsd:string, xsd:boolean, owl:real, xsd:float, xsd:double, xsd:dateTimeStamp, xsd:hexBinary, xsd:base64Binary, and xsd:anyURI are pairwise disjoint), as requested in LC Comments 22 and 24. ←
17:32:44 <sandro> PROPOSED: OWL 2 datatypes will be as in Last Call draft (non-disjoint) -- the inverse of the above resolution
PROPOSED: OWL 2 datatypes will be as in Last Call draft (non-disjoint) -- the inverse of the above resolution ←
17:32:45 <bijan> And Manchester would formally object if this resolution was overturned
Bijan Parsia: And Manchester would formally object if this resolution was overturned ←
17:32:51 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:32:54 <bijan> -1 (formal object) (Manchester)
Bijan Parsia: -1 (formal object) (Manchester) ←
17:32:56 <pfps> pfps: -0
17:33:04 <msmith> 0 C&P
Mike Smith: 0 C&P ←
17:33:05 <bmotik> 0
Boris Motik: 0 ←
17:33:06 <alanr> +1 (Science Commons)
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 (Science Commons) ←
17:33:08 <sandro> -0
Sandro Hawke: -0 ←
17:33:10 <ewallace> -0
Evan Wallace: -0 ←
17:33:17 <Achille> -1 (IBM)
Achille Fokoue: -1 (IBM) ←
17:33:21 <schneid> -0
Michael Schneider: -0 ←
17:33:25 <ivan> -1
Ivan Herman: -1 ←
17:33:26 <Zhe> -0 (depends on RIF)
17:33:27 <christine> 0
17:33:28 <baojie> 0
17:33:33 <zimmer> 0
17:33:36 <Ratnesh> 0 (DERI)
Ratnesh Sahay: 0 (DERI) ←
17:33:57 <sandro> proposal fails, as expected -- clarifying need to override one objections.
Sandro Hawke: proposal fails, as expected -- clarifying need to override one objections. ←
17:34:12 <schneid> (might become a -1, depending on outcome with talking to my institute)
Michael Schneider: (might become a -1, depending on outcome with talking to my institute) ←
17:34:57 <pfps> alanr: what about owl:real - it seems to be not useful now
Alan Ruttenberg: what about owl:real - it seems to be not useful now ←
17:34:58 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:35:02 <ivan> ack alanr
Ivan Herman: ack alanr ←
17:35:10 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:35:10 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:35:15 <bijan> Email
Bijan Parsia: Email ←
17:35:20 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:35:25 <sandro> ack bmotik
Sandro Hawke: ack bmotik ←
17:35:28 <ivan> ack bmotik
Ivan Herman: ack bmotik ←
17:35:39 <pfps> boris: owl:realPlus is useless now
Boris Motik: owl:realPlus is useless now ←
17:35:42 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
17:35:44 <bijan> That was my understanding
Bijan Parsia: That was my understanding ←
17:35:45 <sandro> ack pfps
Sandro Hawke: ack pfps ←
17:35:46 <msmith> yes, realPlus is out
Mike Smith: yes, realPlus is out ←
17:35:57 <pfps> pfps: there is a draft proposal to remove realPlus
Peter Patel-Schneider: there is a draft proposal to remove realPlus ←
17:36:06 <sandro> PROPOSED: Remove the datatype owl:realPlus from OWL 2, as it was introduced to unify floats, doubles, and other numbers.
PROPOSED: Remove the datatype owl:realPlus from OWL 2, as it was introduced to unify floats, doubles, and other numbers. ←
17:36:23 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:36:24 <msmith> +1 (C&P)
Mike Smith: +1 (C&P) ←
17:36:24 <zimmer> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
17:36:26 <pfps> bijan: do it
Bijan Parsia: do it ←
17:36:27 <bmotik> +1 (Oxford)
Boris Motik: +1 (Oxford) ←
17:36:30 <Zhe> +1 (ORACLE)
17:36:33 <pfps> boris: it goes
Boris Motik: it goes ←
17:36:34 <ewallace> +1 (NIST)
Evan Wallace: +1 (NIST) ←
17:36:36 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:36:36 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:36:37 <bijan> +1 (Manchester)
Bijan Parsia: +1 (Manchester) ←
17:36:39 <schneid> +1 (FZI)
Michael Schneider: +1 (FZI) ←
17:36:39 <Ratnesh> +1 (DERI)
Ratnesh Sahay: +1 (DERI) ←
17:36:40 <pfps> pfps: +1 ALU
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 ALU ←
17:36:43 <alanr> 0 (Science Commons) only if previous proposal stands.
Alan Ruttenberg: 0 (Science Commons) only if previous proposal stands. ←
17:36:55 <sandro> RESOLVED: Remove the datatype owl:realPlus from OWL 2, as it was introduced to unify floats, doubles, and other numbers.
RESOLVED: Remove the datatype owl:realPlus from OWL 2, as it was introduced to unify floats, doubles, and other numbers. ←
17:37:10 <baojie> +1
17:37:14 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
17:37:41 <pfps> alanr: if the previous proposal is overturned, then realPlus should rise from the grave
Alan Ruttenberg: if the previous proposal is overturned, then realPlus should rise from the grave ←
17:37:51 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:38:14 <pfps> Topic: Document plans
17:38:28 <bmotik> Zakum, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakum, unmute me ←
17:38:37 <pfps> alanr: status of changes to syntax?
Alan Ruttenberg: status of changes to syntax? ←
17:38:49 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:38:49 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:39:10 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:39:10 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:39:13 <pfps> boris: probably tomorrow is the end of the big changes, but maybe Friday
Boris Motik: probably tomorrow is the end of the big changes, but maybe Friday ←
17:39:14 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:39:21 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:39:28 <pfps> alanr: rdf:text
Alan Ruttenberg: rdf:text ←
17:39:49 <pfps> baojie: <scribe needs help here>
Jie Bao: <scribe needs help here> ←
17:40:11 <pfps> bijan: sparql may have something to say, but there is sufficient player overlap
Bijan Parsia: sparql may have something to say, but there is sufficient player overlap ←
17:40:23 <pfps> bijan: I'll ping axel
Bijan Parsia: I'll ping axel ←
17:40:39 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:40:40 <pfps> sandro: we want rdf:text to go to LC ASAP, ask them for review
Sandro Hawke: we want rdf:text to go to LC ASAP, ask them for review ←
17:41:04 <baojie> baojie: I have done changes per Andy's comment. I'm not aware of other comments
Jie Bao: I have done changes per Andy's comment. I'm not aware of other comments [ Scribe Assist by Jie Bao ] ←
17:41:13 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:41:14 <pfps> alanr: we don't want to formally link to sparql because of timing
Alan Ruttenberg: we don't want to formally link to sparql because of timing ←
17:41:17 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:41:43 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:42:07 <pfps> ivan: sparql is very early so we may not get any good information from them, any feedback is likely only andy
Ivan Herman: sparql is very early so we may not get any good information from them, any feedback is likely only andy ←
17:42:07 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:42:45 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
17:42:54 <pfps> bijan: i share these concerns, but ... we would like sparql to do sparql owl and sparql has new virtuous people
Bijan Parsia: i share these concerns, but ... we would like sparql to do sparql owl and sparql has new virtuous people ←
17:43:10 <pfps> bijan: sparql should implement rdf:text
Bijan Parsia: sparql should implement rdf:text ←
17:43:14 <alanr> ack sandro
Alan Ruttenberg: ack sandro ←
17:43:17 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:43:25 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:43:31 <pfps> sandro: maybe not, i would be unhappy if it would
Sandro Hawke: maybe not, i would be unhappy if it would ←
17:43:42 <pfps> sandro: andy had last comments that were editorial
Sandro Hawke: andy had last comments that were editorial ←
17:43:43 <alanr> that was my understanding
Alan Ruttenberg: that was my understanding ←
17:43:51 <pfps> bijan: then no worries
Bijan Parsia: then no worries ←
17:44:08 <pfps> sandro: lets address comments (andy) and go to LC when sparql can review
Sandro Hawke: lets address comments (andy) and go to LC when sparql can review ←
17:44:11 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:44:12 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
17:44:21 <pfps> sandro: Are we happy? Is RIF happy? If so, proceed.
Sandro Hawke: Are we happy? Is RIF happy? If so, proceed. ←
17:44:40 <pfps> alanr: need schedule for LC on rdf:text
Alan Ruttenberg: need schedule for LC on rdf:text ←
17:45:10 <pfps> baojie: need andy happy - I also have extra comments that may need some time
Jie Bao: need andy happy - I also have extra comments that may need some time ←
17:45:13 <pfps> alanr: schedule?
Alan Ruttenberg: schedule? ←
17:45:31 <christine> irc frozen ?
Christine Golbreich: irc frozen ? ←
17:45:31 <pfps> baojie: depends on andy responding
Jie Bao: depends on andy responding ←
17:45:41 <pfps> ivan: andy did just reply
Ivan Herman: andy did just reply ←
17:46:09 <christine> q
17:46:24 <pfps> alanr: want to ensure progress - please get firm schedule by next week
Alan Ruttenberg: want to ensure progress - please get firm schedule by next week ←
17:46:33 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:46:35 <pfps> baojie: andy doesn't have time to review
Jie Bao: andy doesn't have time to review ←
17:46:41 <ivan> his reply is: We have not had time to review the changes. I was not aware there was a time scale and will endeavour to review the changes soon.
Ivan Herman: his reply is: We have not had time to review the changes. I was not aware there was a time scale and will endeavour to review the changes soon. ←
17:46:49 <pfps> alanr: can we press the issue?
Alan Ruttenberg: can we press the issue? ←
17:46:51 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:47:39 <pfps> bijan: editors can make a good attempt. if they think that the changes are OK, then we can proceed, even without responses
Bijan Parsia: editors can make a good attempt. if they think that the changes are OK, then we can proceed, even without responses ←
17:47:55 <pfps> alanr: by next week we want a firm schedule
Alan Ruttenberg: by next week we want a firm schedule ←
17:48:05 <pfps> baojie: OK - I'll talk to the parties
Jie Bao: OK - I'll talk to the parties ←
17:48:19 <pfps> alanr: Quick Reference Guide
Alan Ruttenberg: Quick Reference Guide ←
17:48:24 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:48:29 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:48:39 <pfps> alanr: we need reviewers for this - not a LC publication
Alan Ruttenberg: we need reviewers for this - not a LC publication ←
17:48:46 <pfps> ivan: I'll review
Ivan Herman: I'll review ←
17:48:47 <bijan> I can secure a reviewer from Manchester
Bijan Parsia: I can secure a reviewer from Manchester ←
17:48:48 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:48:52 <bcuencagrau> I can
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: I can ←
17:48:56 <pfps> christine: I'll review
Christine Golbreich: I'll review ←
17:49:10 <pfps> action: ivan review QRG
ACTION: ivan review QRG ←
17:49:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-306 - Review QRG [on Ivan Herman - due 2009-03-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-306 - Review QRG [on Ivan Herman - due 2009-03-18]. ←
17:49:12 <bcuencagrau> A week is fine
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: A week is fine ←
17:49:21 <pfps> action: christine review QRG
ACTION: christine review QRG ←
17:49:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-307 - Review QRG [on Christine Golbreich - due 2009-03-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-307 - Review QRG [on Christine Golbreich - due 2009-03-18]. ←
17:49:32 <pfps> action: bijan review QRG
ACTION: bijan review QRG ←
17:49:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-308 - Review QRG [on Bijan Parsia - due 2009-03-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-308 - Review QRG [on Bijan Parsia - due 2009-03-18]. ←
17:49:35 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:49:54 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:49:58 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:49:59 <pfps> action: bernardo review QRG
ACTION: bernardo review QRG ←
17:49:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-309 - Review QRG [on Bernardo Cuenca Grau - due 2009-03-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-309 - Review QRG [on Bernardo Cuenca Grau - due 2009-03-18]. ←
17:50:09 <pfps> bijan: review what form?
Bijan Parsia: review what form? ←
17:50:28 <pfps> ivan: review wiki, other versions may look somewhat different
Ivan Herman: review wiki, other versions may look somewhat different ←
17:50:48 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:50:53 <pfps> bijan: what about making the QRG look really nice - i've done some work
Bijan Parsia: what about making the QRG look really nice - i've done some work ←
17:51:17 <pfps> alanr: review document for content and HTML presentation
Alan Ruttenberg: review document for content and HTML presentation ←
17:51:33 <pfps> bijan: but QRG is supposed to have HTML look like PDF
Bijan Parsia: but QRG is supposed to have HTML look like PDF ←
17:51:49 <pfps> baojie: HTML is 10 pages PDF will be much less
Jie Bao: HTML is 10 pages PDF will be much less ←
17:52:02 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:52:12 <pfps> bijan: I sent out a css method that makes the HTML and the PDF look the same
Bijan Parsia: I sent out a css method that makes the HTML and the PDF look the same ←
17:52:13 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:52:17 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:52:26 <pfps> bijan: there appears to be two documents, is there, what am I reviewing
Bijan Parsia: there appears to be two documents, is there, what am I reviewing ←
17:52:44 <pfps> baojie: content is the same, layout is a bit different - PDF is three columns
Jie Bao: content is the same, layout is a bit different - PDF is three columns ←
17:52:54 <pfps> bijan: but css can to multi-column
Bijan Parsia: but css can to multi-column ←
17:53:05 <bijan> This isn't current? http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/images/8/8b/Owl2-refcard_2008-10-01.pdf
Bijan Parsia: This isn't current? http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/images/8/8b/Owl2-refcard_2008-10-01.pdf ←
17:53:11 <cgolbrei> struggling with IRC frozen!
Christine Golbreich: struggling with IRC frozen! ←
17:53:27 <pfps> ivan: this document is going to REC, so the W3C HTML version is authoritative
Ivan Herman: this document is going to REC, so the W3C HTML version is authoritative ←
17:53:29 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:53:30 <baojie> No, it is obsolete
17:53:34 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:53:44 <pfps> ivan: other display methods are not authoritative
Ivan Herman: other display methods are not authoritative ←
17:53:55 <pfps> bijan: I didn't expect this
Bijan Parsia: I didn't expect this ←
17:54:28 <pfps> alanr: review content (correctness, wording) but consider presentation as well
Alan Ruttenberg: review content (correctness, wording) but consider presentation as well ←
17:54:36 <pfps> bijan: fair enough
Bijan Parsia: fair enough ←
17:54:38 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:54:38 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:54:55 <pfps> alanr: Document Overview
Alan Ruttenberg: Document Overview ←
17:55:03 <pfps> alanr: appears to be decent shape
Alan Ruttenberg: appears to be decent shape ←
17:55:30 <pfps> alanr: need decision to publish as FPWD, some minor comments outstanding
Alan Ruttenberg: need decision to publish as FPWD, some minor comments outstanding ←
17:56:11 <pfps> sandro: i'm not aware of any blockers, some bibliography fixes, nothing major
Sandro Hawke: i'm not aware of any blockers, some bibliography fixes, nothing major ←
17:56:12 <alanr> ack cgolbrei
Alan Ruttenberg: ack cgolbrei ←
17:56:12 <ewallace> What about Venn diagram?
Evan Wallace: What about Venn diagram? ←
17:56:29 <pfps> christine: what is the version we should look at
Christine Golbreich: what is the version we should look at ←
17:56:36 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Document_Overview
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Document_Overview ←
17:56:39 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:56:39 <Zakim> bmotik was already muted, bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik was already muted, bmotik ←
17:56:51 <msmith> I would like to see the sentence reference OWL Full Semantics removed before publish
Mike Smith: I would like to see the sentence reference OWL Full Semantics removed before publish ←
17:56:55 <pfps> sandro: the current Wiki page, as always
Sandro Hawke: the current Wiki page, as always ←
17:57:04 <bijan> oh...
Bijan Parsia: oh... ←
17:57:13 <bijan> Figure 1 contains GRDDL
Bijan Parsia: Figure 1 contains GRDDL ←
17:57:17 <pfps> christine: will roadmap be moved?
Christine Golbreich: will roadmap be moved? ←
17:57:17 <bijan> That's a bit controversial
Bijan Parsia: That's a bit controversial ←
17:57:33 <pfps> sandro: we should decide now
Sandro Hawke: we should decide now ←
17:57:37 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:57:40 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
17:57:40 <pfps> alanr: any blockers?
Alan Ruttenberg: any blockers? ←
17:57:41 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:58:03 <pfps> bijan: diagram has GRDDL but we are not completely resolved on this
Bijan Parsia: diagram has GRDDL but we are not completely resolved on this ←
17:58:03 <schneid> ok, to take out GRDDL for the moment
Michael Schneider: ok, to take out GRDDL for the moment ←
17:58:11 <pfps> sandro: question mark on GRDDL?
Sandro Hawke: question mark on GRDDL? ←
17:58:15 <pfps> bijan: would be OK
Bijan Parsia: would be OK ←
17:58:22 <alanr> prefer editorial note over "?"
Alan Ruttenberg: prefer editorial note over "?" ←
17:58:27 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:58:43 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:58:58 <pfps> msmith: what about OWL 2 Full?
Mike Smith: what about OWL 2 Full? ←
17:59:03 <pfps> sandro: forgot about that
Sandro Hawke: forgot about that ←
17:59:11 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:59:19 <alanr> ack msmith
Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←
17:59:23 <pfps> ivan: what about the diagram?
Ivan Herman: what about the diagram? ←
17:59:50 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:59:55 <bijan> I suggest "EdNote: The exact nature of the GRDDL relation is still an open issue."
Bijan Parsia: I suggest "EdNote: The exact nature of the GRDDL relation is still an open issue." ←
18:00:26 <alanr> to resolve: roadmap placement, OWL 2 Full, alan's minor edits
Alan Ruttenberg: to resolve: roadmap placement, OWL 2 Full, alan's minor edits ←
18:00:49 <Zakim> + +39.047.101.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +39.047.101.aaee ←
18:01:11 <calvanese> zakim, aaee is me
Diego Calvanese: zakim, aaee is me ←
18:01:11 <Zakim> +calvanese; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +calvanese; got it ←
18:01:13 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
18:01:15 <pfps> ivan: what about names? OWL Full?
Ivan Herman: what about names? OWL Full? ←
18:01:24 <calvanese> zakim, mute me
Diego Calvanese: zakim, mute me ←
18:01:24 <Zakim> calvanese should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: calvanese should now be muted ←
18:01:27 <alanr> "This semantics for OWL 2 Ontologies is sometimes called the “OWL 2 Full” semantics and “OWL 2 Full” is also used to refer to the entire OWL 2 language, particularly when expressed as RDF graphs."
Alan Ruttenberg: "This semantics for OWL 2 Ontologies is sometimes called the “OWL 2 Full” semantics and “OWL 2 Full” is also used to refer to the entire OWL 2 language, particularly when expressed as RDF graphs." ←
18:01:28 <pfps> sandro: only thing about OWL 2 Full is in semantics section
Sandro Hawke: only thing about OWL 2 Full is in semantics section ←
18:02:06 <pfps> ivan: its a FPWD so details don't matter too much
Ivan Herman: its a FPWD so details don't matter too much ←
18:02:09 <sandro> agreed -- we'll adopt msmith's proposal
Sandro Hawke: agreed -- we'll adopt msmith's proposal ←
18:02:16 <alanr> ack cgolbrei
Alan Ruttenberg: ack cgolbrei ←
18:02:31 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:02:41 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:02:46 <pfps> christine: need to consider longer
Christine Golbreich: need to consider longer ←
18:03:01 <pfps> alanr: we already extended the decision
Alan Ruttenberg: we already extended the decision ←
18:03:12 <pfps> christine: lots of discussion has happened
Christine Golbreich: lots of discussion has happened ←
18:03:28 <alanr> ack sandro
Alan Ruttenberg: ack sandro ←
18:03:37 <cgolbrei> why bijan laugh?
Christine Golbreich: why bijan laugh? ←
18:03:52 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
18:03:56 <pfps> sandro: it will take a couple of days to get out the door, so we do have a bit of time to wait for objections
Sandro Hawke: it will take a couple of days to get out the door, so we do have a bit of time to wait for objections ←
18:03:59 <cgolbrei> ah!
Christine Golbreich: ah! ←
18:04:09 <JeffP> Sorry for the late
Jeff Pan: Sorry for the late ←
18:04:18 <cgolbrei> q
18:04:18 <Zakim> + +0122427aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0122427aaff ←
18:04:31 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
18:04:33 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:04:33 <Zakim> schneid was not muted, schneid
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid was not muted, schneid ←
18:04:33 <pfps> ivan: this is only a FPWD, so it doesn't have to be near perfect
Ivan Herman: this is only a FPWD, so it doesn't have to be near perfect ←
18:04:48 <pfps> michael: OWL 2 Full?
Michael Schneider: OWL 2 Full? ←
18:04:50 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
18:05:04 <pfps> q-
q- ←
18:05:13 <pfps> michael: agree to removing
Michael Schneider: agree to removing ←
18:05:21 <cgolbrei> is there no risk of reaction even on a FPWD
Christine Golbreich: is there no risk of reaction even on a FPWD ←
18:05:27 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:05:27 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:05:32 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
18:05:33 <bijan> I do!
Bijan Parsia: I do! ←
18:05:37 <pfps> pfps: me too
Peter Patel-Schneider: me too ←
18:05:40 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:05:56 <bijan> I totally agree with what Peter just said
Bijan Parsia: I totally agree with what Peter just said ←
18:06:08 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
18:06:10 <pfps> pfps: roadmap first is cart before the horse
Peter Patel-Schneider: roadmap first is cart before the horse ←
18:06:19 <schneid> +1 to peter, we have the diagram at the beginning, that's perfectly fine
Michael Schneider: +1 to peter, we have the diagram at the beginning, that's perfectly fine ←
18:06:31 <cgolbrei> usualy Table of Contents is first
Christine Golbreich: usualy Table of Contents is first ←
18:06:37 <pfps> bijan: document roadmap is not user friendly at the beginning
Bijan Parsia: document roadmap is not user friendly at the beginning ←
18:06:37 <ivan> +1 to peter and bijan
Ivan Herman: +1 to peter and bijan ←
18:06:41 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:06:48 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:07:00 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:07:02 <pfps> sandro: roadmap is like the ToC so it should be first
Sandro Hawke: roadmap is like the ToC so it should be first ←
18:07:05 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
18:07:18 <cgolbrei> present TOC is not explicit
Christine Golbreich: present TOC is not explicit ←
18:07:26 <pfps> bijan: roadmap is not like a ToC - it is like a ... roadmap!
Bijan Parsia: roadmap is not like a ToC - it is like a ... roadmap! ←
18:07:39 <sandro> rofl
Sandro Hawke: rofl ←
18:07:39 <pfps> sandro: I hate those (but I don't hate the roadmap)
Sandro Hawke: I hate those (but I don't hate the roadmap) ←
18:07:44 <schneid> it's not a TOC, it's a list of references
Michael Schneider: it's not a TOC, it's a list of references ←
18:07:54 <alanr> straw poll: I like the roadmap at the top
Alan Ruttenberg: straw poll: I like the roadmap at the top ←
18:07:57 <pfps> pfps: -1
18:07:57 <Achille> +0.5
Achille Fokoue: +0.5 ←
18:07:58 <schneid> -1
Michael Schneider: -1 ←
18:07:59 <baojie> 0
18:07:59 <cgolbrei> +1
Christine Golbreich: +1 ←
18:08:00 <bijan> -1
Bijan Parsia: -1 ←
18:08:01 <ewallace> 0
Evan Wallace: 0 ←
18:08:01 <alanr> 0
Alan Ruttenberg: 0 ←
18:08:01 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
18:08:04 <Zhe> 0
18:08:04 <ivan> -1
Ivan Herman: -1 ←
18:08:04 <JeffP> 0
18:08:05 <bcuencagrau> 0
18:08:09 <msmith> 0
Mike Smith: 0 ←
18:08:09 <zimmer> 0.5
Antoine Zimmermann: 0.5 ←
18:08:25 <cgolbrei> should we add 0.5 ?
Christine Golbreich: should we add 0.5 ? ←
18:08:47 <MarkusK_> -0
Markus Krötzsch: -0 ←
18:08:53 <sandro> alan: keep in its current place in this draft; maybe revisit.
Alan Ruttenberg: keep in its current place in this draft; maybe revisit. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:08:53 <pfps> alanr: keep roadmap were it is (for now)
Alan Ruttenberg: keep roadmap were it is (for now) ←
18:09:06 <pfps> alanr: changes about QL and RL
Alan Ruttenberg: changes about QL and RL ←
18:09:09 <bijan> I'll also note that the roadmap is *not* a table of contents *for this document*.
Bijan Parsia: I'll also note that the roadmap is *not* a table of contents *for this document*. ←
18:09:12 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:09:18 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
18:09:20 <pfps> pfps: QL and RL OK by me
Peter Patel-Schneider: QL and RL OK by me ←
18:09:54 <bijan> Who do we direct comments to?
Bijan Parsia: Who do we direct comments to? ←
18:09:57 <bijan> "OWL 2 adds new functionality with respect to OWL 1. Some of the new features are syntactic sugar (e.g., disjoint union of classes) while others offer new reasoning capabilities, including:"
Bijan Parsia: "OWL 2 adds new functionality with respect to OWL 1. Some of the new features are syntactic sugar (e.g., disjoint union of classes) while others offer new reasoning capabilities, including:" ←
18:10:03 <pfps> alanr: sandro start the process
Alan Ruttenberg: sandro start the process ←
18:10:09 <bijan> The features don't add reasoning capabilities, but expressivity
Bijan Parsia: The features don't add reasoning capabilities, but expressivity ←
18:10:17 <bijan> Can we have de facto editors?
Bijan Parsia: Can we have de facto editors? ←
18:10:23 <bijan> i.e., "pester victims"
Bijan Parsia: i.e., "pester victims" ←
18:10:28 <pfps> sandro: agreed that this is a WG document
Sandro Hawke: agreed that this is a WG document ←
18:10:38 <pfps> sandro: I'm the victim this week
Sandro Hawke: I'm the victim this week ←
18:10:11 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Document_Overview as a FPWD, with changes agreed to in this meeting, and give folks 24 hours to object in case there's something critical they missed.
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Document_Overview as a FPWD, with changes agreed to in this meeting, and give folks 24 hours to object in case there's something critical they missed. ←
18:10:53 <pfps> pfps: +1 ALU
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 ALU ←
18:10:55 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
18:10:57 <alanr> +1 (Science Commons)
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 (Science Commons) ←
18:11:01 <sandro> +1 (W3C)
Sandro Hawke: +1 (W3C) ←
18:11:02 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
18:11:03 <Zhe> +1
18:11:05 <msmith> +1
Mike Smith: +1 ←
18:11:05 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
18:11:14 <Achille> +0
Achille Fokoue: +0 ←
18:11:14 <schneid> +1
Michael Schneider: +1 ←
18:11:17 <JeffP> 0
18:11:34 <pfps> Resolved: Publish http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Document_Overview as a FPWD, with changes agreed to in this meeting, and give folks 24 hours to object in case there's something critical they missed.
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Document_Overview as a FPWD, with changes agreed to in this meeting, and give folks 24 hours to object in case there's something critical they missed. ←
18:12:21 <pfps> alanr: NF&R - is it ready for publication (not LC) in April
Alan Ruttenberg: NF&R - is it ready for publication (not LC) in April ←
18:12:30 <ewallace> When did we agree that UF docs wouldn't go to last call?
Evan Wallace: When did we agree that UF docs wouldn't go to last call? ←
18:12:35 <alanr> at the f2f
Alan Ruttenberg: at the f2f ←
18:12:42 <alanr> (I hope)
Alan Ruttenberg: (I hope) ←
18:13:04 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:13:33 <sandro> (Yikes, RRSAgent isn't here. Fortunately, I have an xchatlog, which we can use..... I'll do that Peter.)
Sandro Hawke: (Yikes, RRSAgent isn't here. Fortunately, I have an xchatlog, which we can use..... I'll do that Peter.) ←
18:13:56 <ewallace> Not that I heard or saw in minutes. But don't want to disrupt the meeting.
Evan Wallace: Not that I heard or saw in minutes. But don't want to disrupt the meeting. ←
18:13:56 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:13:56 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:13:56 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
18:13:58 <pfps> christine: nearly finished
Christine Golbreich: nearly finished ←
18:14:16 <pfps> bijan: outstanding comment from about one use case
Bijan Parsia: outstanding comment from about one use case ←
18:14:25 <pfps> alanr: please send a note to me
Alan Ruttenberg: please send a note to me ←
18:14:36 <ewallace> I think that Bijan's comment is on a use case table
Evan Wallace: I think that Bijan's comment is on a use case table ←
18:15:37 <pfps> alanr: we need to take bijan at his word as to whether his comment was addressed
Alan Ruttenberg: we need to take bijan at his word as to whether his comment was addressed ←
18:15:50 <pfps> bijan: I haven't heard anything
Bijan Parsia: I haven't heard anything ←
18:16:28 <pfps> christine: reviewers for NF&R?
Christine Golbreich: reviewers for NF&R? ←
18:16:49 <pfps> alanr: for next meeting
Alan Ruttenberg: for next meeting ←
18:17:02 <pfps> alanr: Manchester syntax
Alan Ruttenberg: Manchester syntax ←
18:17:23 <pfps> alanr: I have objected to removal of editorial notes and not addressing issue 146
Alan Ruttenberg: I have objected to removal of editorial notes and not addressing ISSUE-146 ←
18:17:25 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
18:17:29 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:17:45 <pfps> pfps: objections have to be public
Peter Patel-Schneider: objections have to be public ←
18:17:56 <pfps> alanr: i object now
Alan Ruttenberg: i object now ←
18:18:20 <pfps> pfps: I object to pocket vetos
Peter Patel-Schneider: I object to pocket vetos ←
18:18:27 <pfps> alanr: I need to wait for Ian
Alan Ruttenberg: I need to wait for Ian ←
18:18:37 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:18:37 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:18:45 <pfps> alanr: Data Range Extensions
Alan Ruttenberg: Data Range Extensions ←
18:19:16 <pfps> bijan: delayed because of XML syntax - when is next round
Bijan Parsia: delayed because of XML syntax - when is next round ←
18:19:30 <pfps> alanr: finish by end of month - publlish for mid-April
Alan Ruttenberg: finish by end of month - publlish for mid-April ←
18:19:40 <pfps> bijan: sounds doable
Bijan Parsia: sounds doable ←
18:19:51 <pfps> bijan: this is a note
Bijan Parsia: this is a note ←
18:19:58 <pfps> alanr: but we want it to be good
Alan Ruttenberg: but we want it to be good ←
18:20:07 <pfps> bijan: doesn't need to be LC (ever)
Bijan Parsia: doesn't need to be LC (ever) ←
18:20:13 <pfps> sandro: right
Sandro Hawke: right ←
18:20:32 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:20:38 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
18:20:44 <pfps> sandro: roadmap points to it, so it would be good to have a FPWD
Sandro Hawke: roadmap points to it, so it would be good to have a FPWD ←
18:20:53 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:20:54 <pfps> bijan: any problem with current status as FPWD
Bijan Parsia: any problem with current status as FPWD ←
18:20:58 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
18:21:13 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:21:27 <pfps> alanr: want a full thing before FPWD
Alan Ruttenberg: want a full thing before FPWD ←
18:21:28 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:21:33 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
18:22:00 <pfps> ivan: no problem because it will be a note
Ivan Herman: no problem because it will be a note ←
18:22:07 <pfps> ivan: at CR time we want a good version
Ivan Herman: at CR time we want a good version ←
18:22:18 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:22:42 <pfps> ivan: roadmap should state note status of notes
Ivan Herman: roadmap should state note status of notes ←
18:23:04 <pfps> sandro: this is intentional
Sandro Hawke: this is intentional ←
18:23:31 <alanr> q+ alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr ←
18:23:34 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
18:24:10 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:24:13 <pfps> bijan: agree with Ivan - should be good, but timeline isn't so tight - FPWD can be a bit sketchy
Bijan Parsia: agree with Ivan - should be good, but timeline isn't so tight - FPWD can be a bit sketchy ←
18:24:45 <pfps> alanr: want at least something about RDF mapping and one example for FPWD
Alan Ruttenberg: want at least something about RDF mapping and one example for FPWD ←
18:24:58 <pfps> bijan: OK, can be done soon
Bijan Parsia: OK, can be done soon ←
18:25:09 <pfps> alanr: Document Overview (again)
Alan Ruttenberg: Document Overview (again) ←
18:25:39 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:25:39 <pfps> ivan: just want to make situation clear
Ivan Herman: just want to make situation clear ←
18:25:50 <bijan> I'd prefer being ambiguous
Bijan Parsia: I'd prefer being ambiguous ←
18:25:56 <pfps> sandro: I'm fine as long as it's not *IN YOUR FACE*
Sandro Hawke: I'm fine as long as it's not *IN YOUR FACE* ←
18:26:03 <bijan> But I'm not hard for it
Bijan Parsia: But I'm not hard for it ←
18:26:08 <schneid> q-
Michael Schneider: q- ←
18:26:21 <bijan> yep
Bijan Parsia: yep ←
18:26:26 <pfps> alanr: OK, lets do it
Alan Ruttenberg: OK, lets do it ←
18:26:53 <schneid> RDF-Based?
Michael Schneider: RDF-Based? ←
18:26:57 <pfps> Topic: LC Comments
18:27:06 <ivan> i think it is too short
Ivan Herman: i think it is too short ←
18:27:11 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:27:18 <pfps> alanr: can we mass-approve quick approval ones
Alan Ruttenberg: can we mass-approve quick approval ones ←
18:27:18 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:27:18 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
18:27:20 <alanr> ack schneid
Alan Ruttenberg: ack schneid ←
18:27:50 <ivan> and there is a discussion thread there...
Ivan Herman: and there is a discussion thread there... ←
18:28:31 <pfps> schneid: not 28
Michael Schneider: not 28 ←
18:28:40 <ivan> and 48 and 58
Ivan Herman: and 48 and 58 ←
18:29:03 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:29:04 <Zakim> -Achille
Zakim IRC Bot: -Achille ←
18:29:07 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:29:07 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:29:12 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:29:12 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:29:21 <pfps> alanr: we are out of time
Alan Ruttenberg: we are out of time ←
18:29:25 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:29:28 <pfps> alanr: we will bring all this up next week
Alan Ruttenberg: we will bring all this up next week ←
18:29:30 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
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18:30:08 <Ratnesh> bye
Ratnesh Sahay: bye ←
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