00:00:00 <scribenick> PRESENT: bmotik, Ivan, IanH, Zhe, Michael Schneider, Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, uli, Alan Ruttenberg, msmith, MarkusK, Joanne, Christine
00:00:00 <scribenick> REGRETS: Elisa Kendall
00:00:00 <scribenick> CHAIR: IanH
17:55:03 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-owl-irc
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17:55:28 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2009.01.14/Agenda
Ian Horrocks: IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2009.01.14/Agenda ←
17:55:41 <IanH> Zakim, this will be owlwg
Ian Horrocks: Zakim, this will be owlwg ←
17:55:41 <Zakim> ok, IanH; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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17:56:09 <IanH> ScribeNick: Achille Fokoue
(Scribe set to Achille Fokoue)
17:56:25 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public
Ian Horrocks: RRSAgent, make records public ←
17:59:04 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started
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17:59:11 <Zakim> + +0186528aaaa
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17:59:12 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
17:59:12 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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17:59:13 <Zakim> +Ivan
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17:59:15 <bmotik> Zakim, this will be OWL
Boris Motik: Zakim, this will be OWL ←
17:59:15 <Zakim> ok, bmotik, I see SW_OWL()1:00PM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bmotik, I see SW_OWL()1:00PM already started ←
17:59:54 <bmotik> Zakim, aaaa is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
17:59:54 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
18:00:08 <Zakim> +IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH ←
18:00:09 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:00:09 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:00:28 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
18:00:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH ←
18:00:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
18:01:15 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aabb ←
18:01:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
18:01:32 <Zhe> zakim, +1.603.897.aabb is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.897.aabb is me ←
18:01:32 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it ←
18:01:35 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
18:01:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe, [IPcaller] ←
18:01:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
18:01:37 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
18:01:37 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted ←
18:01:51 <schneid> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Michael Schneider: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
18:01:51 <Zakim> +schneid; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +schneid; got it ←
18:01:52 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
18:02:05 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:02:05 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:02:07 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aacc ←
18:02:08 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is me
Zakim, IBM is me ←
18:02:08 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
18:02:14 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:02:14 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
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18:02:21 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
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18:02:30 <IanH> ScribeNick: Achille
18:02:31 <Achille> ScribeNick: Achille
18:02:44 <Zakim> +??P15
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18:02:50 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
18:02:54 <Bernardo Cuenca Grau> Zakim, ??P12 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P12 is me ←
18:02:54 <Zakim> +Bernardo Cuenca Grau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bernardo Cuenca Grau; got it ←
18:03:04 <Bernardo Cuenca Grau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
18:03:04 <Zakim> Bernardo Cuenca Grau should now be muted
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18:03:11 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
18:03:19 <uli> zakim, ??P16 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P16 is me ←
18:03:19 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
18:03:24 <baojie> Zakim, who is on the phone
Jie Bao: Zakim, who is on the phone ←
18:03:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', baojie
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', baojie ←
18:03:37 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
18:03:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid, Achille, +1.518.276.aacc, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid, Achille, +1.518.276.aacc, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli ←
18:03:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
18:03:42 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:03:42 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:03:45 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:03:45 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:03:49 <baojie> Zakim, aacc is baojie
Jie Bao: Zakim, aacc is baojie ←
18:03:49 <Zakim> +baojie; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it ←
18:03:51 <ivan> scribenick: Achille
18:03:51 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Rees
Zakim IRC Bot: +Jonathan_Rees ←
18:03:59 <ivan> scribe: Achille
18:04:34 <IanH> zakim, aacc is baojie
Ian Horrocks: zakim, aacc is baojie ←
18:04:34 <Zakim> sorry, IanH, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, IanH, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc' ←
18:04:53 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
18:04:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), Jonathan_Rees
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), Jonathan_Rees ←
18:04:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
18:05:23 <Achille> topic: Admin
18:05:23 <Achille> subtopic: Agenda amendments?
18:05:24 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:05:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), Jonathan_Rees
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), Jonathan_Rees ←
18:05:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
18:05:32 <Zakim> +msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith ←
18:05:36 <Achille> ianh: no agenda amendments
Ian Horrocks: no agenda amendments ←
18:05:41 <alanr> zakim, Jonathan_Rees is alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, Jonathan_Rees is alanr ←
18:05:41 <Zakim> +alanr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it ←
18:05:49 <Achille> subtopic: Accept Previous Minutes (07 January)
18:05:59 <alanr> zakim, mute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute me ←
18:05:59 <Zakim> alanr should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should now be muted ←
18:06:00 <Achille> ian: ok to me
Ian Horrocks: ok to me ←
18:06:22 <Achille> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 January)
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 January) ←
18:06:38 <Achille> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 January)
RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 January) ←
18:06:53 <Achille> subtopic: Pending Review Actions
18:07:08 <Achille> subsubtopic: Action 250: Send mime-type registrations in to IETF when we do last-call publications / Sandro Hawke
18:07:27 <schneid> I remember some mail this week from IETF people?
Michael Schneider: I remember some mail this week from IETF people? ←
18:07:34 <Achille> ian: the applications have been made, and it is ongoing process
Ian Horrocks: the applications have been made, and it is ongoing process ←
18:07:59 <Achille> subsubtopic: Action 261: Implement change to syntax for datetime xml schema coordination / Peter Patel-Schneider
18:08:21 <Achille> ianh: Peter has done his part. We are waiting for xml schema wg response
Ian Horrocks: Peter has done his part. We are waiting for xml schema wg response ←
18:08:44 <Achille> subtopic: Due and overdue Actions
18:08:44 <Achille> subsubtopic: Action 262: Send mail to Cecil replying that we are waiting for the real comment / Alan Ruttenberg
18:08:45 <alanr> tyes
Alan Ruttenberg: tyes ←
18:08:46 <alanr> yes
Alan Ruttenberg: yes ←
18:08:52 <alanr> sorry - muted
Alan Ruttenberg: sorry - muted ←
18:09:09 <Achille> ianh: Action 262 done!
Ian Horrocks: ACTION-262 done! ←
18:09:35 <Achille> subtopic: Soliciting reviews of and/or comments on LC documents
18:09:48 <Achille> ianh: we did not receive a lot of comments this should be a cause for concerns at this point
Ian Horrocks: we did not receive a lot of comments this should be a cause for concerns at this point ←
18:10:03 <Zhe> q+
18:10:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:10:20 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:10:21 <Zakim> uli was already muted, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: uli was already muted, uli ←
18:10:21 <Zhe> zakim, unmute me
18:10:21 <Zakim> Zhe should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should no longer be muted ←
18:10:29 <Achille> ivan: i agree with ian concerns
Ivan Herman: i agree with ian concerns ←
18:10:42 <Achille> zhe: Oracle is sending some comments in a few days. It is hard to get further comments given the size of the spec and the background needed to understand it.
Zhe Wu: Oracle is sending some comments in a few days. It is hard to get further comments given the size of the spec and the background needed to understand it. ←
18:11:40 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:11:43 <ivan> ack Zhe
Ivan Herman: ack Zhe ←
18:11:49 <Achille> ianh: important to get comments from companies and organizations outside the working group
Ian Horrocks: important to get comments from companies and organizations outside the working group ←
18:11:54 <IanH> ack zhe
Ian Horrocks: ack zhe ←
18:11:57 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
18:12:03 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
18:12:03 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted ←
18:12:22 <alanr> I will do so again on the lists that I sent to.
Alan Ruttenberg: I will do so again on the lists that I sent to. ←
18:12:25 <Achille> ivan: An explicit call for comment from the chair might have some positive effect
Ivan Herman: An explicit call for comment from the chair might have some positive effect ←
18:12:45 <Achille> ianh: yes, we will repeat the call for comment that we did initially
Ian Horrocks: yes, we will repeat the call for comment that we did initially ←
18:12:45 <alanr> will do
Alan Ruttenberg: will do ←
18:12:56 <Achille> ivan: great. The call should be cosign with Alan
Ivan Herman: great. The call should be cosign with Alan ←
18:13:09 <Achille> ianh: personal solicitations are even better
Ian Horrocks: personal solicitations are even better ←
18:13:52 <alanr> zakim, unmute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me ←
18:13:52 <Zakim> alanr should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should no longer be muted ←
18:13:55 <Achille> ivan: people with influencial blogs might also help by posting on their blogs
Ivan Herman: people with influencial blogs might also help by posting on their blogs ←
18:14:02 <Achille> ivan: Example: Alan, can you post it on your blog?
Ivan Herman: Example: Alan, can you post it on your blog? ←
18:14:20 <msmith> yes, it does
Mike Smith: yes, it does ←
18:14:23 <Achille> ianh: yes anybody with a blog
Ian Horrocks: yes anybody with a blog ←
18:14:33 <msmith> yes
Mike Smith: yes ←
18:14:34 <Achille> alanr: Example: Clark & Parsia's blog?
Alan Ruttenberg: Example: Clark & Parsia's blog? ←
18:14:36 <msmith> will pas it on
Mike Smith: will pas it on ←
18:14:45 <alanr> zakim, mute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute me ←
18:14:45 <Zakim> alanr should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should now be muted ←
18:15:01 <Achille> ianh: Alan and I will send a final reminder on the various mailing lists
Ian Horrocks: Alan and I will send a final reminder on the various mailing lists ←
18:15:12 <Achille> ianh: people should write to their blogs
Ian Horrocks: people should write to their blogs ←
18:15:23 <Achille> ianh: personal solicitations are also recommended
Ian Horrocks: personal solicitations are also recommended ←
18:15:35 <Achille> ianh: other ideas?
Ian Horrocks: other ideas? ←
18:15:50 <Achille> subtopic: F2F5 (23-24 February, 2009)
18:16:33 <Achille> ianh: only 6 participants confirmed and 4 remote participants confirmed
Ian Horrocks: only 6 participants confirmed and 4 remote participants confirmed ←
18:16:51 <Achille> topic: Last Call Comments
18:17:10 <Achille> ianh: let's discuss Alan Rector's comment
Ian Horrocks: let's discuss Alan Rector's comment ←
18:17:11 <alanr> but this time to the official list
Alan Ruttenberg: but this time to the official list ←
18:17:17 <alanr> zakim, unmute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me ←
18:17:17 <Zakim> alanr should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should no longer be muted ←
18:17:21 <Zakim> + +1.781.271.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.781.271.aadd ←
18:17:24 <uli> i didn't see 2...
Uli Sattler: i didn't see 2... ←
18:17:25 <msmith> I agree, it seemed close to the same
Mike Smith: I agree, it seemed close to the same ←
18:17:30 <Achille> ianh: is the latest version of the comment different from the first one?
Ian Horrocks: is the latest version of the comment different from the first one? ←
18:17:39 <Achille> alanr: No, it is roughly the same. It was just moved to the right page
Alan Ruttenberg: No, it is roughly the same. It was just moved to the right page ←
18:17:40 <Zhe> I just updated the F2f5, I will join.
Zhe Wu: I just updated the F2f5, I will join. ←
18:17:54 <alanr> great, Zhe!
Alan Ruttenberg: great, Zhe! ←
18:18:19 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
18:18:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), alanr, msmith, +1.781.271.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), alanr, msmith, +1.781.271.aadd ←
18:18:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
18:19:14 <IanH> Who called in from USA area code 781?
Ian Horrocks: Who called in from USA area code 781? ←
18:19:24 <Achille> alanr: i have proposed a solution to the issue raised by Alan Rector at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1
Alan Ruttenberg: i have proposed a solution to the issue raised by Alan Rector at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1 ←
18:19:31 <uli> what would the changes be?
Uli Sattler: what would the changes be? ←
18:19:35 <Achille> alanr: The proposed solution will require changes on our side
Alan Ruttenberg: The proposed solution will require changes on our side ←
18:20:11 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:20:18 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:21:09 <Achille> ivan: warning for ourselves: a major technical change will require a new Last Call (LC)
Ivan Herman: warning for ourselves: a major technical change will require a new Last Call (LC) ←
18:21:23 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:21:31 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
18:21:42 <Achille> ianh: The change suggested by Alan will require a new LC
Ian Horrocks: The change suggested by Alan will require a new LC ←
18:21:45 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:21:45 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
18:21:45 <Achille> ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
18:21:45 <IanH> ack uli
Ian Horrocks: ack uli ←
18:22:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:22:12 <Achille> uli: what will be the required change?
Uli Sattler: what will be the required change? ←
18:22:24 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1 ←
18:22:30 <Achille> alanr: the proposed serialization is at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1
Alan Ruttenberg: the proposed serialization is at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1 ←
18:22:35 <Achille> alanr: the RDF mapping will have to change
Alan Ruttenberg: the RDF mapping will have to change ←
18:22:43 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:23:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:23:42 <Achille> uli: The parser will need to make sure that the strings are syntactically correct.
Uli Sattler: The parser will need to make sure that the strings are syntactically correct. ←
18:24:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:24:13 <Achille> uli: it sounds complicated
Uli Sattler: it sounds complicated ←
18:24:37 <Achille> alanr: the declarations for classes have no semantic impacts
Alan Ruttenberg: the declarations for classes have no semantic impacts ←
18:25:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:26 <Achille> uli: the parser will have to make sure the class expressions are correct according to the syntax
Uli Sattler: the parser will have to make sure the class expressions are correct according to the syntax ←
18:25:59 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:25:59 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:26:08 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:26:18 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:26:18 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:28:01 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:28:05 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:28:13 <Achille> bmotik: not a good idea to put all this kind of managarial information in annotation
Boris Motik: not a good idea to put all this kind of managarial information in annotation ←
18:28:47 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:28:58 <Achille> bmotik: not important from an interoperability perspective
Boris Motik: not important from an interoperability perspective ←
18:28:59 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:29:04 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:29:14 <uli> q-
Uli Sattler: q- ←
18:29:28 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:29:30 <Achille> alanr: we cannot say to such a world-class expert in modeling that his view on modeling is wrong
Alan Ruttenberg: we cannot say to such a world-class expert in modeling that his view on modeling is wrong ←
18:29:39 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
18:29:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik, Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), alanr, msmith, +1.781.271.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik, Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), alanr, msmith, +1.781.271.aadd ←
18:29:42 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:29:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see Joanne, alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Joanne, alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
18:29:45 <uli> q-
Uli Sattler: q- ←
18:29:47 <Achille> bmotik: annotations are not about modeling
Boris Motik: annotations are not about modeling ←
18:29:53 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:30:01 <Achille> bmotik: for modeling purposes, use owl-dl
Boris Motik: for modeling purposes, use owl-dl ←
18:30:21 <Achille> bmotik: the Alan Rector's list of requirements has nothing to do with modeling
Boris Motik: the Alan Rector's list of requirements has nothing to do with modeling ←
18:30:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:30:42 <uli> ...but we can say even to world-leading expert that, given that the complications incurred by his workaround and (!) the fact that it will still be a work-around (and not a proper fix), this isn't worth it
Uli Sattler: ...but we can say even to world-leading expert that, given that the complications incurred by his workaround and (!) the fact that it will still be a work-around (and not a proper fix), this isn't worth it ←
18:30:52 <Achille> ianh: should we continue this discussion on email?
Ian Horrocks: should we continue this discussion on email? ←
18:31:19 <alanr> uli: Agree. Need a coherent explanation of what the complications are to support such.
Uli Sattler: Agree. Need a coherent explanation of what the complications are to support such. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
18:31:19 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:31:23 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:31:42 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:31:46 <Achille> ianh: people should look at Alan's proposal and we need to clarify the technical issues/difficulties
Ian Horrocks: people should look at Alan's proposal and we need to clarify the technical issues/difficulties ←
18:31:59 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:32:05 <Achille> bmotik: those issues were already discussed at the last F2F
Boris Motik: those issues were already discussed at the last F2F ←
18:32:12 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:32:19 <msmith> q-
Mike Smith: q- ←
18:32:23 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:32:40 <Achille> ianh: i agree, but could someone send an email about the issues
Ian Horrocks: i agree, but could someone send an email about the issues ←
18:32:48 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:32:51 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:32:59 <Achille> ianh: for example,a summary of the discussions at the F2F or a pointer to the minutes of the last F2F
Ian Horrocks: for example,a summary of the discussions at the F2F or a pointer to the minutes of the last F2F ←
18:33:15 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:33:44 <Achille> alanr: i would like a discussion about the alternative solutions
Alan Ruttenberg: i would like a discussion about the alternative solutions ←
18:33:55 <alanr> zakim, mute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute me ←
18:33:55 <Zakim> alanr should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should now be muted ←
18:34:19 <Achille> ianh: how do we deal with internal LC comments?
Ian Horrocks: how do we deal with internal LC comments? ←
18:34:42 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:34:50 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
18:34:51 <Achille> ianh should they be treated the exact same way as external comments?
ianh should they be treated the exact same way as external comments? ←
18:35:42 <Achille> ivan: the wiki page should contain all the comments (internal or external) because it will be used to track the changes to the spec
Ivan Herman: the wiki page should contain all the comments (internal or external) because it will be used to track the changes to the spec ←
18:36:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:36:10 <alanr> ok by me
Alan Ruttenberg: ok by me ←
18:36:19 <schneid> +1
Michael Schneider: +1 ←
18:37:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:37:30 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:38:26 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:39:00 <Achille> ianh: I will send an email clarifying how to make and deal with WG internal comments on LC documents
Ian Horrocks: I will send an email clarifying how to make and deal with WG internal comments on LC documents ←
18:39:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:39:46 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:39:46 <ivan> action to IanH: send a mail to the group clarifying the dealing with WG internal comments on LC documents
Ivan Herman: action to IanH: send a mail to the group clarifying the dealing with WG internal comments on LC documents ←
18:39:46 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - to ←
18:39:56 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
18:39:58 <Achille> action: ianh to send an email to clarify how to make and deal with WG comments on LC documents
ACTION: ianh to send an email to clarify how to make and deal with WG comments on LC documents ←
18:39:58 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ianh
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - ianh ←
18:40:19 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:40:47 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:41:00 <Achille> subtopic: Comment from Tim Redmond
18:41:02 <alanr> zakim, unmute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me ←
18:41:02 <Zakim> alanr should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should no longer be muted ←
18:41:07 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:41:30 <Achille> ianh: we can simply send a note about the discussion we already had on the import issues
Ian Horrocks: we can simply send a note about the discussion we already had on the import issues ←
18:42:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:42:16 <Achille> alanr: I will call him to help clarify his understanding
Alan Ruttenberg: I will call him to help clarify his understanding ←
18:42:41 <Achille> ianh: i agree with Alan that he may not have fully understood the spec
Ian Horrocks: i agree with Alan that he may not have fully understood the spec ←
18:42:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:42:53 <alanr> we agreed to disagree :)
Alan Ruttenberg: we agreed to disagree :) ←
18:42:53 <ivan> yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
18:43:49 <alanr> action: alanr to talk to tim redmond about his lc comment
ACTION: alanr to talk to tim redmond about his lc comment ←
18:43:49 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr ←
18:43:59 <Achille> subtopic: Comment from Andy Seaborne
18:44:11 <baojie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg//2009Jan/0025.html
Jie Bao: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg//2009Jan/0025.html ←
18:44:13 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:44:19 <alanr> action: alanruttenberg to talk to tim redmond about his lc comment
ACTION: alanruttenberg to talk to tim redmond about his lc comment ←
18:44:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-264 - Talk to tim redmond about his lc comment [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2009-01-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-264 - Talk to tim redmond about his lc comment [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2009-01-21]. ←
18:44:31 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670901140921j4be87090h76df1d20a00878d6@mail.gmail.com Baojie's answer
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670901140921j4be87090h76df1d20a00878d6@mail.gmail.com Baojie's answer ←
18:45:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:45:43 <Achille> baojie: my response is at http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670901140921j4be87090h76df1d20a00878d6@mail.gmail.com
Jie Bao: my response is at http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670901140921j4be87090h76df1d20a00878d6@mail.gmail.com ←
18:45:46 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:45:51 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:46:00 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
18:46:48 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:46:57 <Achille> ivan: there is another comment from Andy about RDF wg taking over some datatypes
Ivan Herman: there is another comment from Andy about RDF wg taking over some datatypes ←
18:47:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:47:13 <schneid> I agree that only an RDF working group may make such a statement
Michael Schneider: I agree that only an RDF working group may make such a statement ←
18:47:27 <Achille> ivan: i agree with Andy that we should not have such a statement in our spec about RDF working group
Ivan Herman: i agree with Andy that we should not have such a statement in our spec about RDF working group ←
18:47:49 <baojie> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/InternationalizedStringSpec#Definition_of_the_rdf:text_Datatype
Jie Bao: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/InternationalizedStringSpec#Definition_of_the_rdf:text_Datatype ←
18:47:49 <ivan> The text in the rdf:text says: "In addition to the RIF and OWL specifications, this datatype is expected to supersede RDF's plain literals with language tags"
Ivan Herman: The text in the rdf:text says: "In addition to the RIF and OWL specifications, this datatype is expected to supersede RDF's plain literals with language tags" ←
18:48:15 <Achille> ivan: this should not be part of our document
Ivan Herman: this should not be part of our document ←
18:48:38 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:48:42 <Achille> ianh: should we discuss this issue further?
Ian Horrocks: should we discuss this issue further? ←
18:48:49 <Zakim> -MarkusK_
Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK_ ←
18:49:02 <Achille> ivan: baojie, did you also have a discussion with the RIF group?
Ivan Herman: baojie, did you also have a discussion with the RIF group? ←
18:49:07 <baojie> not yet
18:49:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:49:33 <Achille> ianh: let's add that to our todo list on the topic of coordination with RIF group
Ian Horrocks: let's add that to our todo list on the topic of coordination with RIF group ←
18:49:46 <Achille> topic: Test Cases
18:49:56 <Achille> ianh: Problems with approved test cases?
Ian Horrocks: Problems with approved test cases? ←
18:49:59 <Achille> ianh: no
Ian Horrocks: no ←
18:50:30 <Achille> ianh: tests are coming in fast. It is not clear how to run the approval process
Ian Horrocks: tests are coming in fast. It is not clear how to run the approval process ←
18:50:34 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:50:38 <alanr> zakim, unmute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me ←
18:50:38 <Zakim> alanr was not muted, alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr was not muted, alanr ←
18:50:40 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:50:42 <Achille> ianh: have anyone looked at the tests?
Ian Horrocks: have anyone looked at the tests? ←
18:50:43 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:50:58 <Achille> alanr: we should split the labor to make sure that every test is looked at by at least one person
Alan Ruttenberg: we should split the labor to make sure that every test is looked at by at least one person ←
18:52:39 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:52:41 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:52:46 <Achille> ianh: If all reasoners pass successfully a test, it should not require additional human validation
Ian Horrocks: If all reasoners pass successfully a test, it should not require additional human validation ←
18:52:46 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
18:53:20 <Achille> mike: if there is no table entry, it means that the test cannot be tested by a OWL-DL reasoner (OWL Full test)
Mike Smith: if there is no table entry, it means that the test cannot be tested by a OWL-DL reasoner (OWL Full test) ←
18:53:45 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:54:03 <Achille> mike: there are also tests meant to illustrate the differences between DL and Full
Mike Smith: there are also tests meant to illustrate the differences between DL and Full ←
18:54:16 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:54:19 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:54:21 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:54:22 <uli> q-
Uli Sattler: q- ←
18:54:28 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:54:28 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
18:54:29 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
18:55:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:55:39 <msmith> I don't know of tests that touch these cases
Mike Smith: I don't know of tests that touch these cases ←
18:55:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
18:55:44 <Achille> schneid: there are some corner cases that will cease to be valid OWL DL
Michael Schneider: there are some corner cases that will cease to be valid OWL DL ←
18:58:36 <schneid> schneid: there might be old test cases about the reserved vocabulary: OWL 2 DL is now more restrictive, cancelling out almost /all/ names from the rdf, rdfs, owl and xsd namespaces, where in OWL 1 many names were actually not disallowed. But these are corner cases.
Michael Schneider: there might be old test cases about the reserved vocabulary: OWL 2 DL is now more restrictive, cancelling out almost /all/ names from the rdf, rdfs, owl and xsd namespaces, where in OWL 1 many names were actually not disallowed. But these are corner cases. [ Scribe Assist by Michael Schneider ] ←
18:55:58 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:56:05 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:56:05 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:56:11 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:56:11 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:56:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:56:28 <alanr> that's one way
Alan Ruttenberg: that's one way ←
18:57:03 <alanr> I'll take 5
Alan Ruttenberg: I'll take 5 ←
18:57:06 <Achille> ianh: how to process tests validation by reasoners?
Ian Horrocks: how to process tests validation by reasoners? ←
18:57:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:57:14 <ivan> ok
Ivan Herman: ok ←
18:57:15 <Zhe> I will take 5
18:57:26 <msmith> I've already eye-balled them all, so can do it again, but that won't help.
Mike Smith: I've already eye-balled them all, so can do it again, but that won't help. ←
18:57:45 <Achille> no objection from me
no objection from me ←
18:58:02 <uli> ...why doesn't eye-balling help
Uli Sattler: ...why doesn't eye-balling help ←
18:58:04 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
18:58:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), alanr, msmith, +1.781.271.aadd, MarkusK_
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), alanr, msmith, +1.781.271.aadd, MarkusK_ ←
18:58:05 <uli> ?
Uli Sattler: ? ←
18:58:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkusK_, Joanne, alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MarkusK_, Joanne, alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot ←
18:58:10 <Achille> ianh: does anybody object to receiving 5 testcases to evaluate?
Ian Horrocks: does anybody object to receiving 5 testcases to evaluate? ←
18:58:11 <MarkusK_> I missed the discussion -- I also will check some further tests
Markus Krötzsch: I missed the discussion -- I also will check some further tests ←
18:58:11 <ivan> zakim, aadd is Joanne
Ivan Herman: zakim, aadd is Joanne ←
18:58:11 <Zakim> +Joanne; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Joanne; got it ←
18:58:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:58:23 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:58:23 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
18:58:23 <Zhe> please let me know which 5 though :)
Zhe Wu: please let me know which 5 though :) ←
18:58:55 <msmith> yes.
Mike Smith: yes. ←
18:59:02 <msmith> you can check my sanity :)
Mike Smith: you can check my sanity :) ←
18:59:17 <Achille> ianh: i am not convince that it will help
Ian Horrocks: i am not convince that it will help ←
18:59:39 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:59:43 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:59:56 <Achille> alanr: it will help make sure that they are not OWL DL
Alan Ruttenberg: it will help make sure that they are not OWL DL ←
19:00:07 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:00:16 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
19:00:23 <Achille> ianh: if all three reasoners say there are not OWL DL that should be good enough, right?
Ian Horrocks: if all three reasoners say there are not OWL DL that should be good enough, right? ←
19:00:48 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
19:01:12 <Christine> Zakim, ??P24 is Christine
Christine Golbreich: Zakim, ??P24 is Christine ←
19:01:12 <Zakim> +Christine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Christine; got it ←
19:01:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:01:35 <Achille> mike: the entries in the table are the ones that are now OWL DL.
Mike Smith: the entries in the table are the ones that are now OWL DL. ←
19:02:02 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:02:06 <Achille> mike: the only one handle to the reasoner were the OWL DL examples
Mike Smith: the only one handle to the reasoner were the OWL DL examples ←
19:03:08 <msmith> will do shortly
Mike Smith: will do shortly ←
19:03:52 <uli> http://owl.cs.manchester.ac.uk/converter/
Uli Sattler: http://owl.cs.manchester.ac.uk/converter/ ←
19:03:54 <ivan> i do not have a practice in m'ter syntax, sorry
Ivan Herman: i do not have a practice in m'ter syntax, sorry ←
19:04:16 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
19:04:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:04:27 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
19:04:43 <msmith> +5, this would be nice
Mike Smith: +5, this would be nice ←
19:04:58 <msmith> @alan regarding declarations http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Entity_Declarations_and_Typing
Mike Smith: @alan regarding declarations http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Entity_Declarations_and_Typing ←
19:05:08 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
19:05:08 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
19:05:32 <Achille> ianh: we can use the converter as a species checker provided that the repair functionality is disable
Ian Horrocks: we can use the converter as a species checker provided that the repair functionality is disable ←
19:05:51 <Achille> topic: Plans for non-LC documents
19:05:55 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:06:53 <Achille> ianh: last week strawpoll on ManchesterSyntax to become Rec Track was not conclusive
Ian Horrocks: last week strawpoll on ManchesterSyntax to become Rec Track was not conclusive ←
19:07:16 <Achille> ianh: has anyone changed his/her mind since then?
Ian Horrocks: has anyone changed his/her mind since then? ←
19:07:26 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
19:07:30 <Zhe> q+
19:07:55 <Achille> ianh: would anybody raise a formal objection if ManchesterSyntax were to become a Rec Track?
Ian Horrocks: would anybody raise a formal objection if ManchesterSyntax were to become a Rec Track? ←
19:08:09 <Christine> +q
Christine Golbreich: +q ←
19:08:10 <Zhe> zakim, unmute me
19:08:10 <Zakim> Zhe should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should no longer be muted ←
19:08:11 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
19:08:48 <Achille> ivan: I do not think it is part of our scope
Ivan Herman: I do not think it is part of our scope ←
19:08:52 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:09:05 <Achille> ivan: it was not part of the charter, and we are taking too much here
Ivan Herman: it was not part of the charter, and we are taking too much here ←
19:09:11 <IanH> ack zhe
Ian Horrocks: ack zhe ←
19:09:36 <uli> no, I don't think so
Uli Sattler: no, I don't think so ←
19:09:39 <Achille> Zhe: what are the consequences if it becomes rec track? will vendors be required to support it?
Zhe Wu: what are the consequences if it becomes rec track? will vendors be required to support it? ←
19:10:03 <Achille> ianh: no.
Ian Horrocks: no. ←
19:10:29 <Achille> ianh: it will be optional
Ian Horrocks: it will be optional ←
19:10:52 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
19:10:57 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:11:32 <Achille> ivan: but it will mean that it is a syntax taken seriously by the group
Ivan Herman: but it will mean that it is a syntax taken seriously by the group ←
19:12:15 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:12:19 <IanH> ack christine
Ian Horrocks: ack christine ←
19:13:16 <Achille> christine: it will become first class syntax if it becomes rec track
Christine Golbreich: it will become first class syntax if it becomes rec track ←
19:13:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:14:14 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
19:14:14 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
19:14:14 <IanH> ack uli
Ian Horrocks: ack uli ←
19:14:27 <Achille> christine: what are the arguments in favor of it being rec track?
Christine Golbreich: what are the arguments in favor of it being rec track? ←
19:15:08 <Achille> uli: better visibility, interoperability between tools, and shared human readable syntax
Uli Sattler: better visibility, interoperability between tools, and shared human readable syntax ←
19:16:14 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
19:16:29 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
19:16:46 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
19:16:46 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
19:17:07 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:17:08 <Achille> ianh: how about ManchesterSyntax being a Note?
Ian Horrocks: how about ManchesterSyntax being a Note? ←
19:17:55 <Achille> ianh: seems nobody will vote against it
Ian Horrocks: seems nobody will vote against it ←
19:18:09 <uli> not extremely unhappy, but I would think that this was "treating the MS designers no too nicely" (note, I am not one of them)
Uli Sattler: not extremely unhappy, but I would think that this was "treating the MS designers no too nicely" (note, I am not one of them) ←
19:18:11 <Achille> PROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax will be a Note
PROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax will be a Note ←
19:18:26 <schneid> what about the editor?
Michael Schneider: what about the editor? ←
19:18:29 <uli> ...but I will shut up now
Uli Sattler: ...but I will shut up now ←
19:18:50 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
19:18:54 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
19:18:54 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
19:18:58 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
19:19:28 <Achille> schneid: peter would be in favor of a recommendation
Michael Schneider: peter would be in favor of a recommendation ←
19:19:36 <Christine> +q
Christine Golbreich: +q ←
19:20:00 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:20:00 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
19:20:33 <Achille> ianh: we can vote now and revisit the vote in light of completely new arguments
Ian Horrocks: we can vote now and revisit the vote in light of completely new arguments ←
19:20:52 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:21:19 <Achille> ivan: my impression was that peter was just lukewarmly in favor of it being Rec track
Ivan Herman: my impression was that peter was just lukewarmly in favor of it being Rec track ←
19:21:47 <Achille> christine: we should vote now becasue last time we postponed it because bijan was not there
Christine Golbreich: we should vote now becasue last time we postponed it because bijan was not there ←
19:21:59 <Achille> PROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax will be a Note
PROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax will be a Note ←
19:21:59 <IanH> ROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax will be a Note
Ian Horrocks: ROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax will be a Note ←
19:22:11 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
19:22:12 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
19:22:12 <baojie> +1
19:22:14 <uli> -0
Uli Sattler: -0 ←
19:22:14 <Achille> +0.5
+0.5 ←
19:22:14 <MarkusK_> +0
Markus Krötzsch: +0 ←
19:22:15 <Zhe> +1 (ORACLE)
19:22:16 <msmith> 0
Mike Smith: 0 ←
19:22:16 <Bernardo Cuenca Grau> 0
19:22:18 <schneid> +1
Michael Schneider: +1 ←
19:22:18 <bmotik> -0
Boris Motik: -0 ←
19:22:18 <Christine> +1
Christine Golbreich: +1 ←
19:22:29 <IanH> 0
Ian Horrocks: 0 ←
19:22:50 <Achille> RESOLVED: ManchesterSyntax will be a Note
RESOLVED: ManchesterSyntax will be a Note ←
19:23:13 <Zakim> -uli
Zakim IRC Bot: -uli ←
19:23:21 <Achille> topic: Coordination with RIF
19:23:51 <Achille> ianh: jie agrees to take the job wrt to rdf:text
Ian Horrocks: jie agrees to take the job wrt to rdf:text ←
19:24:03 <Achille> ianh: what do we need for this coordination?
Ian Horrocks: what do we need for this coordination? ←
19:24:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:24:28 <IanH> ack christine
Ian Horrocks: ack christine ←
19:24:41 <Achille> baojie: what are the other issues on the list wrt to the coordination?
Jie Bao: what are the other issues on the list wrt to the coordination? ←
19:25:01 <Christine> -q
Christine Golbreich: -q ←
19:25:02 <Achille> ianh: some issues regarding datatypes
Ian Horrocks: some issues regarding datatypes ←
19:25:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:25:52 <Achille> ivan: one of the issues is the difference between how owl and xml schema handle datatype value spaces
Ivan Herman: one of the issues is the difference between how owl and xml schema handle datatype value spaces ←
19:26:04 <baojie> is there a pointer to previous discussions? thanks
Jie Bao: is there a pointer to previous discussions? thanks ←
19:27:03 <Achille> ivan: we do not want different view of datatypes by owl wg and rif wg
Ivan Herman: we do not want different view of datatypes by owl wg and rif wg ←
19:27:14 <Achille> ianh: no need to discuss it in detail now
Ian Horrocks: no need to discuss it in detail now ←
19:29:29 <Achille> topic: Additional other business
19:30:07 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←
19:30:12 <msmith> thanks everyone, bye
Mike Smith: thanks everyone, bye ←
19:30:13 <Zakim> -bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: -bmotik ←
19:30:15 <Zakim> -msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: -msmith ←
19:30:19 <Zhe> bye
19:30:19 <Zakim> -Achille
Zakim IRC Bot: -Achille ←
19:30:25 <Zakim> -MarkusK_
Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK_ ←
19:30:28 <Zakim> -Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe ←
19:30:35 <Zakim> -Christine
Zakim IRC Bot: -Christine ←
19:30:41 <Zakim> -Joanne
Zakim IRC Bot: -Joanne ←
19:30:48 <Zakim> -baojie
Zakim IRC Bot: -baojie ←
19:31:03 <Zakim> -schneid
Zakim IRC Bot: -schneid ←
19:32:01 <Zakim> -Bernardo Cuenca Grau
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bernardo Cuenca Grau ←
19:32:35 <alanr> have to go to another call
Alan Ruttenberg: have to go to another call ←
19:32:44 <Zakim> -alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: -alanr ←
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