OWL Working Group

Minutes of 14 January 2009

Present
Boris Motik Ivan Herman Ian Horrocks Zhe Wu Michael Schneider Achille Fokoue Jie Bao Evan Wallace Bernardo Cuenca Grau Uli Sattler Alan Ruttenberg Mike Smith Markus Krötzsch Joanne Luciano Christine Golbreich
Regrets
Elisa Kendall
Chair
Ian Horrocks
Scribe
Achille Fokoue
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Accept Previous Minutes (07 January) link
  2. ManchesterSyntax will be a Note link
Topics
00:00:00 <scribenick> PRESENT: bmotik, Ivan, IanH, Zhe, Michael Schneider, Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, uli, Alan Ruttenberg, msmith, MarkusK, Joanne, Christine
00:00:00 <scribenick> REGRETS: Elisa Kendall
00:00:00 <scribenick> CHAIR: IanH
17:55:03 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-owl-irc

17:55:28 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2009.01.14/Agenda

Ian Horrocks: IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2009.01.14/Agenda

17:55:41 <IanH> Zakim, this will be owlwg

Ian Horrocks: Zakim, this will be owlwg

17:55:41 <Zakim> ok, IanH; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, IanH; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

17:56:09 <IanH> ScribeNick: Achille Fokoue

(Scribe set to Achille Fokoue)

17:56:25 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public

Ian Horrocks: RRSAgent, make records public

17:59:04 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started

17:59:11 <Zakim> + +0186528aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0186528aaaa

17:59:12 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

17:59:12 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

17:59:13 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

17:59:15 <bmotik> Zakim, this will be OWL

Boris Motik: Zakim, this will be OWL

17:59:15 <Zakim> ok, bmotik, I see SW_OWL()1:00PM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bmotik, I see SW_OWL()1:00PM already started

17:59:54 <bmotik> Zakim, aaaa is me

Boris Motik: Zakim, aaaa is me

17:59:54 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it

18:00:08 <Zakim> +IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH

18:00:09 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:00:09 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:00:28 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:00:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH

18:00:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:01:15 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aabb

18:01:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

18:01:32 <Zhe> zakim, +1.603.897.aabb is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.603.897.aabb is me

18:01:32 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it

18:01:35 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:01:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe, [IPcaller]

18:01:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:01:37 <Zhe> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

18:01:37 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted

18:01:51 <schneid> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Michael Schneider: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

18:01:51 <Zakim> +schneid; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +schneid; got it

18:01:52 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

18:02:05 <schneid> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:02:05 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted

18:02:07 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aacc

18:02:08 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is me

Zakim, IBM is me

18:02:08 <Zakim> +Achille; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it

18:02:14 <schneid> zakim, unmute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:02:14 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted

18:02:21 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace

18:02:30 <IanH> ScribeNick:  Achille
18:02:31 <Achille> ScribeNick: Achille
18:02:44 <Zakim> +??P15

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15

18:02:50 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

18:02:54 <Bernardo Cuenca Grau> Zakim, ??P12 is me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P12 is me

18:02:54 <Zakim> +Bernardo Cuenca Grau; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bernardo Cuenca Grau; got it

18:03:04 <Bernardo Cuenca Grau> Zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me

18:03:04 <Zakim> Bernardo Cuenca Grau should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bernardo Cuenca Grau should now be muted

18:03:11 <Zakim> +??P16

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16

18:03:19 <uli> zakim, ??P16 is me

Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P16 is me

18:03:19 <Zakim> +uli; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it

18:03:24 <baojie> Zakim, who is on the phone

Jie Bao: Zakim, who is on the phone

18:03:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', baojie

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', baojie

18:03:37 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:03:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid, Achille, +1.518.276.aacc, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid, Achille, +1.518.276.aacc, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli

18:03:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:03:42 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

18:03:42 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

18:03:45 <schneid> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:03:45 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted

18:03:49 <baojie> Zakim, aacc is baojie

Jie Bao: Zakim, aacc is baojie

18:03:49 <Zakim> +baojie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it

18:03:51 <ivan> scribenick: Achille
18:03:51 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Rees

Zakim IRC Bot: +Jonathan_Rees

18:03:59 <ivan> scribe: Achille
18:04:34 <IanH> zakim, aacc is baojie

Ian Horrocks: zakim, aacc is baojie

18:04:34 <Zakim> sorry, IanH, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, IanH, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

18:04:53 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:04:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), Jonathan_Rees

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), Jonathan_Rees

18:04:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:05:23 <Achille> topic: Admin

1. Admin

18:05:23 <Achille> subtopic: Agenda amendments?

1.1. Agenda amendments?

18:05:24 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

18:05:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), Jonathan_Rees

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), Jonathan_Rees

18:05:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:05:32 <Zakim> +msmith

Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith

18:05:36 <Achille> ianh: no agenda amendments

Ian Horrocks: no agenda amendments

18:05:41 <alanr> zakim, Jonathan_Rees is alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, Jonathan_Rees is alanr

18:05:41 <Zakim> +alanr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it

18:05:49 <Achille> subtopic: Accept Previous Minutes (07 January)

1.2. Accept Previous Minutes (07 January)

18:05:59 <alanr> zakim, mute me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute me

18:05:59 <Zakim> alanr should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should now be muted

18:06:00 <Achille> ian: ok to me

Ian Horrocks: ok to me

18:06:22 <Achille> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 January)

PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 January)

18:06:38 <Achille> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 January)

RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 January)

18:06:53 <Achille> subtopic: Pending Review Actions

1.3. Pending Review Actions

18:07:08 <Achille> subsubtopic: Action 250: Send mime-type registrations in to IETF when we do last-call publications / Sandro Hawke
1.3.1. ACTION-250: Send mime-type registrations in to IETF when we do last-call publications / Sandro Hawke
18:07:27 <schneid> I remember some mail this week from IETF people?

Michael Schneider: I remember some mail this week from IETF people?

18:07:34 <Achille> ian: the applications have been made, and it is ongoing process

Ian Horrocks: the applications have been made, and it is ongoing process

18:07:59 <Achille> subsubtopic: Action 261: Implement change to syntax for datetime xml schema coordination / Peter Patel-Schneider
1.3.2. ACTION-261: Implement change to syntax for datetime xml schema coordination / Peter Patel-Schneider
18:08:21 <Achille> ianh: Peter has done his part. We are waiting for xml schema wg response

Ian Horrocks: Peter has done his part. We are waiting for xml schema wg response

18:08:44 <Achille> subtopic: Due and overdue Actions

1.4. Due and overdue Actions

18:08:44 <Achille> subsubtopic: Action 262: Send mail to Cecil replying that we are waiting for the real comment / Alan Ruttenberg
1.4.1. ACTION-262: Send mail to Cecil replying that we are waiting for the real comment / Alan Ruttenberg
18:08:45 <alanr> tyes

Alan Ruttenberg: tyes

18:08:46 <alanr> yes

Alan Ruttenberg: yes

18:08:52 <alanr> sorry - muted

Alan Ruttenberg: sorry - muted

18:09:09 <Achille> ianh: Action 262 done!

Ian Horrocks: ACTION-262 done!

18:09:35 <Achille> subtopic: Soliciting reviews of and/or comments on LC documents

1.5. Soliciting reviews of and/or comments on LC documents

18:09:48 <Achille> ianh: we did not receive a lot of comments this should be a cause for concerns at this point

Ian Horrocks: we did not receive a lot of comments this should be a cause for concerns at this point

18:10:03 <Zhe> q+

Zhe Wu: q+

18:10:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:10:20 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

18:10:21 <Zakim> uli was already muted, uli

Zakim IRC Bot: uli was already muted, uli

18:10:21 <Zhe> zakim, unmute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, unmute me

18:10:21 <Zakim> Zhe should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should no longer be muted

18:10:29 <Achille> ivan: i agree with ian concerns

Ivan Herman: i agree with ian concerns

18:10:42 <Achille> zhe: Oracle is sending some comments in a few days. It is hard to get further comments given the size of the spec and the background needed to understand it.

Zhe Wu: Oracle is sending some comments in a few days. It is hard to get further comments given the size of the spec and the background needed to understand it.

18:11:40 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:11:43 <ivan> ack Zhe

Ivan Herman: ack Zhe

18:11:49 <Achille> ianh: important to get comments from companies and organizations outside the working group

Ian Horrocks: important to get comments from companies and organizations outside the working group

18:11:54 <IanH> ack zhe

Ian Horrocks: ack zhe

18:11:57 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

18:12:03 <Zhe> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

18:12:03 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted

18:12:22 <alanr> I will do so again on the lists that I sent to.

Alan Ruttenberg: I will do so again on the lists that I sent to.

18:12:25 <Achille> ivan: An explicit call for comment from the chair might have some positive effect

Ivan Herman: An explicit call for comment from the chair might have some positive effect

18:12:45 <Achille> ianh: yes, we will repeat the call for comment that we did initially

Ian Horrocks: yes, we will repeat the call for comment that we did initially

18:12:45 <alanr> will do

Alan Ruttenberg: will do

18:12:56 <Achille> ivan: great. The call should be  cosign with Alan

Ivan Herman: great. The call should be cosign with Alan

18:13:09 <Achille> ianh: personal solicitations are even better

Ian Horrocks: personal solicitations are even better

18:13:52 <alanr> zakim, unmute me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me

18:13:52 <Zakim> alanr should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should no longer be muted

18:13:55 <Achille> ivan: people with influencial blogs might also help by posting on their blogs

Ivan Herman: people with influencial blogs might also help by posting on their blogs

18:14:02 <Achille> ivan: Example: Alan, can you post it on your blog?

Ivan Herman: Example: Alan, can you post it on your blog?

18:14:20 <msmith> yes, it does

Mike Smith: yes, it does

18:14:23 <Achille> ianh: yes anybody with a blog

Ian Horrocks: yes anybody with a blog

18:14:33 <msmith> yes

Mike Smith: yes

18:14:34 <Achille> alanr: Example: Clark & Parsia's blog?

Alan Ruttenberg: Example: Clark &amp; Parsia's blog?

18:14:36 <msmith> will pas it on

Mike Smith: will pas it on

18:14:45 <alanr> zakim, mute me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute me

18:14:45 <Zakim> alanr should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should now be muted

18:15:01 <Achille> ianh: Alan and I will send a final reminder on the various mailing lists

Ian Horrocks: Alan and I will send a final reminder on the various mailing lists

18:15:12 <Achille> ianh: people should write to their blogs

Ian Horrocks: people should write to their blogs

18:15:23 <Achille> ianh: personal solicitations are also  recommended

Ian Horrocks: personal solicitations are also recommended

18:15:35 <Achille> ianh: other ideas?

Ian Horrocks: other ideas?

18:15:50 <Achille> subtopic: F2F5 (23-24 February, 2009)

1.6. F2F5 (23-24 February, 2009)

18:16:33 <Achille> ianh: only 6 participants confirmed and 4 remote participants confirmed

Ian Horrocks: only 6 participants confirmed and 4 remote participants confirmed

18:16:51 <Achille> topic: Last Call Comments

2. Last Call Comments

18:17:10 <Achille> ianh: let's discuss Alan Rector's comment

Ian Horrocks: let's discuss Alan Rector's comment

18:17:11 <alanr> but this time to the official list

Alan Ruttenberg: but this time to the official list

18:17:17 <alanr> zakim, unmute me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me

18:17:17 <Zakim> alanr should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should no longer be muted

18:17:21 <Zakim> + +1.781.271.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.781.271.aadd

18:17:24 <uli> i didn't see 2...

Uli Sattler: i didn't see 2...

18:17:25 <msmith> I agree, it seemed close to the same

Mike Smith: I agree, it seemed close to the same

18:17:30 <Achille> ianh: is the latest version of the comment different from the first one?

Ian Horrocks: is the latest version of the comment different from the first one?

18:17:39 <Achille> alanr: No, it is roughly the same. It was just moved to the right page

Alan Ruttenberg: No, it is roughly the same. It was just moved to the right page

18:17:40 <Zhe> I just updated the F2f5, I will join.

Zhe Wu: I just updated the F2f5, I will join.

18:17:54 <alanr> great, Zhe!

Alan Ruttenberg: great, Zhe!

18:18:19 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:18:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), alanr, msmith, +1.781.271.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), alanr, msmith, +1.781.271.aadd

18:18:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:19:14 <IanH> Who called in from USA area code 781?

Ian Horrocks: Who called in from USA area code 781?

18:19:24 <Achille> alanr: i have proposed a solution to the issue raised by Alan Rector at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1

Alan Ruttenberg: i have proposed a solution to the issue raised by Alan Rector at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1

18:19:31 <uli> what would the changes be?

Uli Sattler: what would the changes be?

18:19:35 <Achille> alanr: The proposed solution will require changes on our side

Alan Ruttenberg: The proposed solution will require changes on our side

18:20:11 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:20:18 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:21:09 <Achille> ivan: warning for ourselves: a major technical change will require a new Last Call (LC)

Ivan Herman: warning for ourselves: a major technical change will require a new Last Call (LC)

18:21:23 <uli> q+

Uli Sattler: q+

18:21:31 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

18:21:42 <Achille> ianh: The change suggested by Alan will require a new LC

Ian Horrocks: The change suggested by Alan will require a new LC

18:21:45 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

18:21:45 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted

18:21:45 <Achille> ivan: yes

Ivan Herman: yes

18:21:45 <IanH> ack uli

Ian Horrocks: ack uli

18:22:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:22:12 <Achille> uli: what will be the required change?

Uli Sattler: what will be the required change?

18:22:24 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1

18:22:30 <Achille> alanr: the proposed serialization is at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1

Alan Ruttenberg: the proposed serialization is at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/ALR1

18:22:35 <Achille> alanr: the RDF mapping will have to change

Alan Ruttenberg: the RDF mapping will have to change

18:22:43 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:23:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:23:42 <Achille> uli: The parser will need to make sure that the strings are syntactically correct.

Uli Sattler: The parser will need to make sure that the strings are syntactically correct.

18:24:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:24:13 <Achille> uli: it sounds complicated

Uli Sattler: it sounds complicated

18:24:37 <Achille> alanr: the declarations for classes have no semantic impacts

Alan Ruttenberg: the declarations for classes have no semantic impacts

18:25:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:25:26 <Achille> uli: the parser will have to make sure the class expressions are correct according to the syntax

Uli Sattler: the parser will have to make sure the class expressions are correct according to the syntax

18:25:59 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:25:59 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:26:08 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:26:18 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

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18:28:01 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

18:28:05 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:28:13 <Achille> bmotik: not a good idea to put all this kind of managarial information in annotation

Boris Motik: not a good idea to put all this kind of managarial information in annotation

18:28:47 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:28:58 <Achille> bmotik: not important from an interoperability perspective

Boris Motik: not important from an interoperability perspective

18:28:59 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:29:04 <uli> q+

Uli Sattler: q+

18:29:14 <uli> q-

Uli Sattler: q-

18:29:28 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:29:30 <Achille> alanr: we cannot say to such a world-class expert in modeling that his view on modeling is wrong

Alan Ruttenberg: we cannot say to such a world-class expert in modeling that his view on modeling is wrong

18:29:39 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

18:29:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik, Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK_, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), alanr, msmith, +1.781.271.aadd

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18:29:42 <uli> q+

Uli Sattler: q+

18:29:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see Joanne, alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, MarkusK_, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

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18:29:45 <uli> q-

Uli Sattler: q-

18:29:47 <Achille> bmotik: annotations are not about modeling

Boris Motik: annotations are not about modeling

18:29:53 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:30:01 <Achille> bmotik: for modeling purposes,  use owl-dl

Boris Motik: for modeling purposes, use owl-dl

18:30:21 <Achille> bmotik: the Alan Rector's list of requirements has nothing to do with modeling

Boris Motik: the Alan Rector's list of requirements has nothing to do with modeling

18:30:28 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:30:42 <uli> ...but we can say even to world-leading expert that, given that the complications incurred by his workaround and (!) the fact that it will still be a work-around (and not a proper fix), this isn't worth it

Uli Sattler: ...but we can say even to world-leading expert that, given that the complications incurred by his workaround and (!) the fact that it will still be a work-around (and not a proper fix), this isn't worth it

18:30:52 <Achille> ianh: should we continue this discussion on email?

Ian Horrocks: should we continue this discussion on email?

18:31:19 <alanr> uli: Agree. Need a coherent explanation of what the complications are to support such.

Uli Sattler: Agree. Need a coherent explanation of what the complications are to support such. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ]

18:31:19 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:31:23 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:31:42 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:31:46 <Achille> ianh: people should look at Alan's proposal and we need to clarify the technical issues/difficulties

Ian Horrocks: people should look at Alan's proposal and we need to clarify the technical issues/difficulties

18:31:59 <msmith> q+

Mike Smith: q+

18:32:05 <Achille> bmotik: those issues were already discussed at the last F2F

Boris Motik: those issues were already discussed at the last F2F

18:32:12 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

18:32:19 <msmith> q-

Mike Smith: q-

18:32:23 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:32:40 <Achille> ianh: i agree, but could someone send an email about the issues

Ian Horrocks: i agree, but could someone send an email about the issues

18:32:48 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:32:51 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:32:59 <Achille> ianh: for example,a summary of the discussions at the F2F or a pointer to the minutes of the last F2F

Ian Horrocks: for example,a summary of the discussions at the F2F or a pointer to the minutes of the last F2F

18:33:15 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:33:44 <Achille> alanr: i would like a discussion about the alternative solutions

Alan Ruttenberg: i would like a discussion about the alternative solutions

18:33:55 <alanr> zakim, mute me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute me

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18:34:19 <Achille> ianh: how do we deal with internal LC comments?

Ian Horrocks: how do we deal with internal LC comments?

18:34:42 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:34:50 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

18:34:51 <Achille> ianh should they be treated the exact same way as external comments?

ianh should they be treated the exact same way as external comments?

18:35:42 <Achille> ivan: the wiki page should contain all the comments (internal or  external) because it will be used to track the changes to the spec

Ivan Herman: the wiki page should contain all the comments (internal or external) because it will be used to track the changes to the spec

18:36:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:36:10 <alanr> ok by me

Alan Ruttenberg: ok by me

18:36:19 <schneid> +1

Michael Schneider: +1

18:37:06 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:37:30 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:38:26 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:39:00 <Achille> ianh: I will send an email clarifying how to make and deal with WG internal comments on LC documents

Ian Horrocks: I will send an email clarifying how to make and deal with WG internal comments on LC documents

18:39:44 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:39:46 <msmith> q+

Mike Smith: q+

18:39:46 <ivan> action to IanH: send a mail to the group clarifying the dealing with WG internal comments on LC documents

Ivan Herman: action to IanH: send a mail to the group clarifying the dealing with WG internal comments on LC documents

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18:39:56 <IanH> ack msmith

Ian Horrocks: ack msmith

18:39:58 <Achille> action: ianh to send an email to clarify how to make and deal with WG comments on LC documents

ACTION: ianh to send an email to clarify how to make and deal with WG comments on LC documents

18:39:58 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ianh

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - ianh

18:40:19 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:40:47 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:41:00 <Achille> subtopic: Comment from Tim Redmond

2.1. Comment from Tim Redmond

18:41:02 <alanr> zakim, unmute me

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18:41:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:41:30 <Achille> ianh: we can simply send a note about the discussion we already had on the import issues

Ian Horrocks: we can simply send a note about the discussion we already had on the import issues

18:42:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:42:16 <Achille> alanr: I will call him to help clarify his understanding

Alan Ruttenberg: I will call him to help clarify his understanding

18:42:41 <Achille> ianh: i agree with Alan that he may not have fully understood the spec

Ian Horrocks: i agree with Alan that he may not have fully understood the spec

18:42:49 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:42:53 <alanr> we agreed to disagree :)

Alan Ruttenberg: we agreed to disagree :)

18:42:53 <ivan> yes

Ivan Herman: yes

18:43:49 <alanr> action: alanr to talk to tim redmond about his lc comment

ACTION: alanr to talk to tim redmond about his lc comment

18:43:49 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr

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18:43:59 <Achille> subtopic: Comment from Andy Seaborne

2.2. Comment from Andy Seaborne

18:44:11 <baojie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg//2009Jan/0025.html

Jie Bao: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg//2009Jan/0025.html

18:44:13 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:44:19 <alanr> action: alanruttenberg to talk to tim redmond about his lc comment

ACTION: alanruttenberg to talk to tim redmond about his lc comment

18:44:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-264 - Talk to tim redmond about his lc comment [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2009-01-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-264 - Talk to tim redmond about his lc comment [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2009-01-21].

18:44:31 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670901140921j4be87090h76df1d20a00878d6@mail.gmail.com Baojie's answer

Ivan Herman: -&gt; http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670901140921j4be87090h76df1d20a00878d6@mail.gmail.com Baojie's answer

18:45:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:45:43 <Achille> baojie: my response is at http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670901140921j4be87090h76df1d20a00878d6@mail.gmail.com

Jie Bao: my response is at http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670901140921j4be87090h76df1d20a00878d6@mail.gmail.com

18:45:46 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:45:51 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:46:00 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

18:46:48 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:46:57 <Achille> ivan: there is another comment from Andy about RDF wg taking over some datatypes

Ivan Herman: there is another comment from Andy about RDF wg taking over some datatypes

18:47:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:47:13 <schneid> I agree that only an RDF working group may make such a statement

Michael Schneider: I agree that only an RDF working group may make such a statement

18:47:27 <Achille> ivan: i agree with Andy that we should not have such a statement in our spec about RDF working group

Ivan Herman: i agree with Andy that we should not have such a statement in our spec about RDF working group

18:47:49 <baojie> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/InternationalizedStringSpec#Definition_of_the_rdf:text_Datatype

Jie Bao: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/InternationalizedStringSpec#Definition_of_the_rdf:text_Datatype

18:47:49 <ivan> The text in the rdf:text says: "In addition to the RIF and OWL specifications, this datatype is expected to supersede RDF's plain literals with language tags"

Ivan Herman: The text in the rdf:text says: "In addition to the RIF and OWL specifications, this datatype is expected to supersede RDF's plain literals with language tags"

18:48:15 <Achille> ivan: this should not be part of our document

Ivan Herman: this should not be part of our document

18:48:38 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:48:42 <Achille> ianh: should we discuss this issue further?

Ian Horrocks: should we discuss this issue further?

18:48:49 <Zakim> -MarkusK_

Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK_

18:49:02 <Achille> ivan: baojie, did you also have a discussion with the RIF group?

Ivan Herman: baojie, did you also have a discussion with the RIF group?

18:49:07 <baojie> not yet

Jie Bao: not yet

18:49:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:49:33 <Achille> ianh: let's add that to our todo list on the topic of coordination with RIF group

Ian Horrocks: let's add that to our todo list on the topic of coordination with RIF group

18:49:46 <Achille> topic: Test Cases

3. Test Cases

18:49:56 <Achille> ianh: Problems with approved test cases?

Ian Horrocks: Problems with approved test cases?

18:49:59 <Achille> ianh: no

Ian Horrocks: no

18:50:30 <Achille> ianh: tests are coming in fast. It is not clear how to run the approval process

Ian Horrocks: tests are coming in fast. It is not clear how to run the approval process

18:50:34 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

18:50:38 <alanr> zakim, unmute me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me

18:50:38 <Zakim> alanr was not muted, alanr

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18:50:40 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:50:42 <Achille> ianh:  have anyone looked at the tests?

Ian Horrocks: have anyone looked at the tests?

18:50:43 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:50:58 <Achille> alanr: we should split the labor to make sure that every test is looked at by at least one person

Alan Ruttenberg: we should split the labor to make sure that every test is looked at by at least one person

18:52:39 <msmith> q+

Mike Smith: q+

18:52:41 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:52:46 <Achille> ianh: If all reasoners pass successfully a test, it should not require additional human validation

Ian Horrocks: If all reasoners pass successfully a test, it should not require additional human validation

18:52:46 <IanH> ack msmith

Ian Horrocks: ack msmith

18:53:20 <Achille> mike: if there is no table entry, it means that the test cannot be tested by a OWL-DL reasoner (OWL Full test)

Mike Smith: if there is no table entry, it means that the test cannot be tested by a OWL-DL reasoner (OWL Full test)

18:53:45 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:54:03 <Achille> mike: there are also tests meant to illustrate the differences between DL and Full

Mike Smith: there are also tests meant to illustrate the differences between DL and Full

18:54:16 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:54:19 <uli> q+

Uli Sattler: q+

18:54:21 <schneid> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

18:54:22 <uli> q-

Uli Sattler: q-

18:54:28 <schneid> zakim, unmute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:54:28 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted

18:54:29 <IanH> ack schneid

Ian Horrocks: ack schneid

18:55:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:55:39 <msmith> I don't know of tests that touch these cases

Mike Smith: I don't know of tests that touch these cases

18:55:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

18:55:44 <Achille> schneid:  there are some corner cases that will cease to be valid OWL DL

Michael Schneider: there are some corner cases that will cease to be valid OWL DL

18:58:36 <schneid> schneid: there might be old test cases about the reserved vocabulary: OWL 2 DL is now more restrictive, cancelling out almost /all/ names from the rdf, rdfs, owl and xsd namespaces, where in OWL 1 many names were actually not disallowed. But these are corner cases.

Michael Schneider: there might be old test cases about the reserved vocabulary: OWL 2 DL is now more restrictive, cancelling out almost /all/ names from the rdf, rdfs, owl and xsd namespaces, where in OWL 1 many names were actually not disallowed. But these are corner cases. [ Scribe Assist by Michael Schneider ]

18:55:58 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:56:05 <schneid> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:56:05 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted

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18:56:11 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:56:11 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:56:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:56:28 <alanr> that's one way

Alan Ruttenberg: that's one way

18:57:03 <alanr> I'll take 5

Alan Ruttenberg: I'll take 5

18:57:06 <Achille> ianh: how to process tests validation by reasoners?

Ian Horrocks: how to process tests validation by reasoners?

18:57:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:57:14 <ivan> ok

Ivan Herman: ok

18:57:15 <Zhe> I will take 5

Zhe Wu: I will take 5

18:57:26 <msmith> I've already eye-balled them all, so can do it again, but that won't help.

Mike Smith: I've already eye-balled them all, so can do it again, but that won't help.

18:57:45 <Achille> no objection from me

no objection from me

18:58:02 <uli> ...why doesn't eye-balling help

Uli Sattler: ...why doesn't eye-balling help

18:58:04 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

18:58:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, Zhe (muted), schneid (muted), Achille, baojie, Evan_Wallace, Bernardo Cuenca Grau (muted), uli (muted), alanr, msmith, +1.781.271.aadd, MarkusK_

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18:58:05 <uli> ?

Uli Sattler: ?

18:58:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkusK_, Joanne, alanr, msmith, uli, baojie, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Achille, Zhe, bmotik, schneid, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

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18:58:10 <Achille> ianh: does anybody object to receiving 5 testcases to evaluate?

Ian Horrocks: does anybody object to receiving 5 testcases to evaluate?

18:58:11 <MarkusK_> I missed the discussion -- I also will check some further tests

Markus Krötzsch: I missed the discussion -- I also will check some further tests

18:58:11 <ivan> zakim, aadd is Joanne

Ivan Herman: zakim, aadd is Joanne

18:58:11 <Zakim> +Joanne; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Joanne; got it

18:58:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:58:23 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

18:58:23 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted

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18:58:23 <Zhe> please let me know which 5 though :)

Zhe Wu: please let me know which 5 though :)

18:58:55 <msmith> yes.

Mike Smith: yes.

18:59:02 <msmith> you can check my sanity :)

Mike Smith: you can check my sanity :)

18:59:17 <Achille> ianh: i am not convince that it will help

Ian Horrocks: i am not convince that it will help

18:59:39 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:59:43 <msmith> q+

Mike Smith: q+

18:59:56 <Achille> alanr: it will help make sure that they are not OWL DL

Alan Ruttenberg: it will help make sure that they are not OWL DL

19:00:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:00:16 <IanH> ack msmith

Ian Horrocks: ack msmith

19:00:23 <Achille> ianh: if all three reasoners say there are not OWL DL that should be good enough, right?

Ian Horrocks: if all three reasoners say there are not OWL DL that should be good enough, right?

19:00:48 <Zakim> +??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24

19:01:12 <Christine> Zakim, ??P24 is Christine

Christine Golbreich: Zakim, ??P24 is Christine

19:01:12 <Zakim> +Christine; got it

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19:01:28 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:01:35 <Achille> mike: the entries in the table are the ones that are now OWL DL.

Mike Smith: the entries in the table are the ones that are now OWL DL.

19:02:02 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:02:06 <Achille> mike: the only one handle to the reasoner were the OWL DL examples

Mike Smith: the only one handle to the reasoner were the OWL DL examples

19:03:08 <msmith> will do shortly

Mike Smith: will do shortly

19:03:52 <uli> http://owl.cs.manchester.ac.uk/converter/

Uli Sattler: http://owl.cs.manchester.ac.uk/converter/

19:03:54 <ivan> i do not have a practice in m'ter syntax, sorry

Ivan Herman: i do not have a practice in m'ter syntax, sorry

19:04:16 <msmith> q+

Mike Smith: q+

19:04:22 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:04:27 <IanH> ack msmith

Ian Horrocks: ack msmith

19:04:43 <msmith> +5, this would be nice

Mike Smith: +5, this would be nice

19:04:58 <msmith> @alan regarding declarations http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Entity_Declarations_and_Typing

Mike Smith: @alan regarding declarations http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Entity_Declarations_and_Typing

19:05:08 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

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19:05:32 <Achille> ianh: we can use the converter as a species checker provided that the repair functionality is disable

Ian Horrocks: we can use the converter as a species checker provided that the repair functionality is disable

19:05:51 <Achille> topic: Plans for non-LC documents

4. Plans for non-LC documents

19:05:55 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:06:53 <Achille> ianh: last week strawpoll on ManchesterSyntax to become  Rec Track was not conclusive

Ian Horrocks: last week strawpoll on ManchesterSyntax to become Rec Track was not conclusive

19:07:16 <Achille> ianh: has anyone changed his/her mind since then?

Ian Horrocks: has anyone changed his/her mind since then?

19:07:26 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

19:07:30 <Zhe> q+

Zhe Wu: q+

19:07:55 <Achille> ianh: would anybody raise a formal objection if ManchesterSyntax were to become a Rec Track?

Ian Horrocks: would anybody raise a formal objection if ManchesterSyntax were to become a Rec Track?

19:08:09 <Christine> +q

Christine Golbreich: +q

19:08:10 <Zhe> zakim, unmute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, unmute me

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19:08:11 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

19:08:48 <Achille> ivan: I do not think it is part of our scope

Ivan Herman: I do not think it is part of our scope

19:08:52 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:09:05 <Achille> ivan: it was not part of the charter, and we are taking too much here

Ivan Herman: it was not part of the charter, and we are taking too much here

19:09:11 <IanH> ack zhe

Ian Horrocks: ack zhe

19:09:36 <uli> no, I don't think so

Uli Sattler: no, I don't think so

19:09:39 <Achille> Zhe: what are the consequences if it becomes  rec track? will vendors be required to support it?

Zhe Wu: what are the consequences if it becomes rec track? will vendors be required to support it?

19:10:03 <Achille> ianh: no.

Ian Horrocks: no.

19:10:29 <Achille> ianh: it will be optional

Ian Horrocks: it will be optional

19:10:52 <uli> q+

Uli Sattler: q+

19:10:57 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:11:32 <Achille> ivan: but it will mean that  it is a syntax taken seriously by the group

Ivan Herman: but it will mean that it is a syntax taken seriously by the group

19:12:15 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:12:19 <IanH> ack christine

Ian Horrocks: ack christine

19:13:16 <Achille> christine:  it will become first class syntax if it becomes rec track

Christine Golbreich: it will become first class syntax if it becomes rec track

19:13:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:14:14 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

19:14:14 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted

19:14:14 <IanH> ack uli

Ian Horrocks: ack uli

19:14:27 <Achille> christine: what are the arguments in favor of it being rec track?

Christine Golbreich: what are the arguments in favor of it being rec track?

19:15:08 <Achille> uli: better visibility, interoperability between tools, and shared human readable syntax

Uli Sattler: better visibility, interoperability between tools, and shared human readable syntax

19:16:14 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

19:16:29 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

19:16:46 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

19:16:46 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

19:17:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:17:08 <Achille> ianh:  how about ManchesterSyntax  being a Note?

Ian Horrocks: how about ManchesterSyntax being a Note?

19:17:55 <Achille> ianh: seems nobody will vote against it

Ian Horrocks: seems nobody will vote against it

19:18:09 <uli> not extremely unhappy, but I would think that this was "treating the MS designers no too nicely" (note, I am not one of them)

Uli Sattler: not extremely unhappy, but I would think that this was "treating the MS designers no too nicely" (note, I am not one of them)

19:18:11 <Achille> PROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax  will be a Note

PROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax will be a Note

19:18:26 <schneid> what about the editor?

Michael Schneider: what about the editor?

19:18:29 <uli> ...but I will shut up now

Uli Sattler: ...but I will shut up now

19:18:50 <schneid> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

19:18:54 <schneid> zakim, unmute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me

19:18:54 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted

19:18:58 <IanH> ack schneid

Ian Horrocks: ack schneid

19:19:28 <Achille> schneid: peter would be in favor of a recommendation

Michael Schneider: peter would be in favor of a recommendation

19:19:36 <Christine> +q

Christine Golbreich: +q

19:20:00 <schneid> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

19:20:00 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted

19:20:33 <Achille> ianh: we can vote now and revisit the vote in light of completely new arguments

Ian Horrocks: we can vote now and revisit the vote in light of completely new arguments

19:20:52 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:21:19 <Achille> ivan: my impression was that peter was just lukewarmly in favor of it being Rec track

Ivan Herman: my impression was that peter was just lukewarmly in favor of it being Rec track

19:21:47 <Achille> christine: we should vote now becasue last time we postponed it because bijan was not there

Christine Golbreich: we should vote now becasue last time we postponed it because bijan was not there

19:21:59 <Achille> PROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax  will be a Note

PROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax will be a Note

19:21:59 <IanH> ROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax  will be a Note

Ian Horrocks: ROPOSED : ManchesterSyntax will be a Note

19:22:11 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

19:22:12 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

19:22:12 <baojie> +1

Jie Bao: +1

19:22:14 <uli> -0

Uli Sattler: -0

19:22:14 <Achille> +0.5

+0.5

19:22:14 <MarkusK_> +0

Markus Krötzsch: +0

19:22:15 <Zhe> +1 (ORACLE)

Zhe Wu: +1 (ORACLE)

19:22:16 <msmith> 0

Mike Smith: 0

19:22:16 <Bernardo Cuenca Grau> 0

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: 0

19:22:18 <schneid> +1

Michael Schneider: +1

19:22:18 <bmotik> -0

Boris Motik: -0

19:22:18 <Christine> +1

Christine Golbreich: +1

19:22:29 <IanH> 0

Ian Horrocks: 0

19:22:50 <Achille> RESOLVED: ManchesterSyntax  will be  a Note

RESOLVED: ManchesterSyntax will be a Note

19:23:13 <Zakim> -uli

Zakim IRC Bot: -uli

19:23:21 <Achille> topic: Coordination with RIF

5. Coordination with RIF

19:23:51 <Achille> ianh: jie  agrees to take the job wrt to rdf:text

Ian Horrocks: jie agrees to take the job wrt to rdf:text

19:24:03 <Achille> ianh: what do we need for this coordination?

Ian Horrocks: what do we need for this coordination?

19:24:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:24:28 <IanH> ack christine

Ian Horrocks: ack christine

19:24:41 <Achille> baojie: what are the other issues on the list wrt to the coordination?

Jie Bao: what are the other issues on the list wrt to the coordination?

19:25:01 <Christine> -q

Christine Golbreich: -q

19:25:02 <Achille> ianh: some issues regarding datatypes

Ian Horrocks: some issues regarding datatypes

19:25:08 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:25:52 <Achille> ivan: one of the issues is the difference between how owl and xml schema handle datatype value spaces

Ivan Herman: one of the issues is the difference between how owl and xml schema handle datatype value spaces

19:26:04 <baojie> is there a pointer to previous discussions? thanks

Jie Bao: is there a pointer to previous discussions? thanks

19:27:03 <Achille> ivan: we do not want different view of datatypes by owl wg and rif wg

Ivan Herman: we do not want different view of datatypes by owl wg and rif wg

19:27:14 <Achille> ianh: no need to discuss it in detail now

Ian Horrocks: no need to discuss it in detail now

19:29:29 <Achille> topic: Additional other business

6. Additional other business

19:30:07 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace

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19:30:12 <msmith> thanks everyone, bye

Mike Smith: thanks everyone, bye

19:30:13 <Zakim> -bmotik

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19:30:15 <Zakim> -msmith

Zakim IRC Bot: -msmith

19:30:19 <Zhe> bye

Zhe Wu: bye

19:30:19 <Zakim> -Achille

Zakim IRC Bot: -Achille

19:30:25 <Zakim> -MarkusK_

Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK_

19:30:28 <Zakim> -Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe

19:30:35 <Zakim> -Christine

Zakim IRC Bot: -Christine

19:30:41 <Zakim> -Joanne

Zakim IRC Bot: -Joanne

19:30:48 <Zakim> -baojie

Zakim IRC Bot: -baojie

19:31:03 <Zakim> -schneid

Zakim IRC Bot: -schneid

19:32:01 <Zakim> -Bernardo Cuenca Grau

Zakim IRC Bot: -Bernardo Cuenca Grau

19:32:35 <alanr> have to go to another call

Alan Ruttenberg: have to go to another call

19:32:44 <Zakim> -alanr

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