OWL Working Group

Minutes of 26 November 2008

Present
Jie Bao Achille Fokoue Christine Golbreich Bernardo Cuenca Grau Sandro Hawke Ivan Herman Rinke Hoekstra Ian Horrocks Markus Krötzsch Boris Motik Jeff Pan Peter Patel-Schneider Alan Ruttenberg Uli Sattler Michael Schneider Evan Wallace
Regrets
Elisa Kendall Mike Smith
Chair
Ian Horrocks
Scribe
Michael Schneider
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Accept Previous Minutes (19 November) link
  2. Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback link
Topics
00:00:00 <scribenick> PRESENT: Jie Bao, Achille Fokoue, Christine Golbreich, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Sandro Hawke, Ivan Herman, Rinke Hoekstra, Ian Horrocks, Markus Krötzsch, Boris Motik, Jeff Pan, Peter Patel-Schneider, Alan Ruttenberg, Uli Sattler, Michael Schneider, Evan Wallace
00:00:00 <scribenick> REGRETS: Elisa Kendall, Mike Smith
00:00:00 <scribenick> CHAIR: Ian Horrocks
17:41:43 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-owl-irc

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17:57:40 <Zakim> +??P0

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17:57:50 <IanH> zakim, ??P0 is IanH

Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??P0 is IanH

17:57:50 <Zakim> +IanH; got it

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17:58:46 <Zakim> +??P5

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17:58:47 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public

Ian Horrocks: RRSAgent, make records public

17:58:52 <Zakim> +??P6

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17:58:52 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P15 is me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P15 is me

17:58:53 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as sylvaing, bcuencagrau

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P15 as sylvaing, bcuencagrau

17:59:06 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P6 is me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P6 is me

17:59:06 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it

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17:59:13 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau

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17:59:20 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider

17:59:28 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.11.26/Agenda

Ian Horrocks: IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.11.26/Agenda

17:59:36 <Zakim> +??P6

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17:59:37 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me

17:59:38 <Zakim> sorry, bcuencagrau, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bcuencagrau, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

17:59:41 <bmotik> Zakim, ??p6 is me

Boris Motik: Zakim, ??p6 is me

17:59:41 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it

17:59:44 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:59:44 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:59:48 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

17:59:50 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

17:59:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, ??P5, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), ??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, ??P5, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), ??P7

17:59:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot

17:59:58 <Zakim> -??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P5

18:00:00 <schneid> zakim, ??P7 is me

Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P7 is me

18:00:00 <Zakim> +schneid; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +schneid; got it

18:00:03 <Zakim> +Rinke

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke

18:00:04 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

18:00:05 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

18:00:07 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

18:00:07 <schneid> scribe is here!

Michael Schneider: scribe is here!

18:00:18 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

18:00:18 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

18:00:30 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

18:00:34 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P5 is me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P5 is me

18:00:34 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it

18:00:38 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me

18:00:38 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted

18:00:39 <IanH> ScribeNick: schneid

(Scribe set to Michael Schneider)

18:01:00 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

18:01:23 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:01:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), schneid, Rinke, Ivan (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), schneid, Rinke, Ivan (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro

18:01:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, baojie, bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, baojie, bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot

18:01:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

18:01:58 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

18:02:02 <schneid> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

18:02:06 <uli> zakim, ??P12 is me

Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P12 is me

18:02:06 <Zakim> +uli; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it

18:02:08 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:02:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), schneid, Rinke, Ivan (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, MarkusK_, uli

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), schneid, Rinke, Ivan (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, MarkusK_, uli

18:02:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, baojie, bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, baojie, bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot

18:02:12 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

18:02:12 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

18:02:12 <schneid> Subtopic: Role Call

1.1. Role Call

18:02:22 <schneid> Subtopic: Agenda Amendments

1.2. Agenda Amendments

18:02:41 <schneid> IanH: I added additional points to the agenda recently

Ian Horrocks: I added additional points to the agenda recently

18:02:44 <Zakim> + +1.978.805.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.978.805.aaaa

18:02:54 <baojie> Zakim, aaaa is baojie

Jie Bao: Zakim, aaaa is baojie

18:02:54 <Zakim> +baojie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it

18:02:55 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

18:02:56 <schneid> Subtopic: Accept Previous Minutes

1.3. Accept Previous Minutes

18:02:56 <uli> look fine to me

Uli Sattler: look fine to me

18:03:05 <pfps> they look OK to me

Peter Patel-Schneider: they look OK to me

18:03:07 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is me

Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is me

18:03:07 <Zakim> +Achille; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it

18:03:16 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

18:03:18 <Rinke> look ok to me as well

Rinke Hoekstra: look ok to me as well

18:03:19 <schneid> IanH: Peter finds them ok

Ian Horrocks: Peter finds them ok

18:03:28 <schneid> IanH: i also find them pretty ok

Ian Horrocks: i also find them pretty ok

18:03:50 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Rees

Zakim IRC Bot: +Jonathan_Rees

18:04:07 <alanr> zakim, Jonathan_Rees is me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, Jonathan_Rees is me

18:04:07 <Zakim> +alanr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it

18:04:11 <pfps> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (19 November)

RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (19 November)

18:04:20 <schneid> Subtopic: Actions

1.4. Actions

18:04:28 <schneid> Subsubtopic: Action 251: rdf:XMLLiteral (Boris Motik)
1.4.1. ACTION-251: rdf:XMLLiteral (Boris Motik)
18:04:38 <schneid> IanH: Action about rdf:XMLLiteral was on Boris, any complaints?

Ian Horrocks: Action about rdf:XMLLiteral was on Boris, any complaints?

18:04:39 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:04:45 <Zakim> +StuartTaylor

Zakim IRC Bot: +StuartTaylor

18:04:56 <alanr> zakim, mute me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute me

18:04:56 <Zakim> alanr should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should now be muted

18:04:57 <JeffP> zakim, StuartTaylor is me

Jeff Pan: zakim, StuartTaylor is me

18:04:58 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it

18:05:09 <schneid> Subsubtopic: Action 250: MIME Type Registration (Sandro Hawke)
1.4.2. ACTION-250: MIME Type Registration (Sandro Hawke)
18:05:13 <schneid> Sandro: ok

Sandro Hawke: ok

18:05:22 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:05:23 <schneid> Subsubtopic: Action 249: SOTD text on Round 4 (Ian Horrocks)
1.4.3. ACTION-249: SOTD text on Round 4 (Ian Horrocks)
18:05:33 <schneid> IanH: I have made it

Ian Horrocks: I have made it

18:05:50 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:05:55 <schneid> Subsubtopic: Action 248: Consult with Editors (Ian Horrocks)
1.4.4. ACTION-248: Consult with Editors (Ian Horrocks)
18:06:04 <schneid> IanH: any comments on Action 248?

Ian Horrocks: any comments on ACTION-248?

18:06:17 <schneid> Topic: Reviewing and Publishing

2. Reviewing and Publishing

18:06:34 <schneid> IanH: This is the last telecom before publication of LC documents

Ian Horrocks: This is the last telecom before publication of LC documents

18:06:46 <schneid> IanH: Thanks to editors

Ian Horrocks: Thanks to editors

18:06:49 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:06:58 <schneid> IanH: thinks that the documents are in good shape

Ian Horrocks: thinks that the documents are in good shape

18:07:16 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:07:24 <schneid> IanH: related actions also seem to be done, except for those we are going to talk about today

Ian Horrocks: related actions also seem to be done, except for those we are going to talk about today

18:07:30 <schneid> Subtopic: Document Status Check

2.1. Document Status Check

18:07:36 <schneid> IanH: Let's go through the list of documents, and ask editors

Ian Horrocks: Let's go through the list of documents, and ask editors

18:07:38 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:08:06 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:08:17 <schneid> Sandro: there are still some typographical and other problems

Sandro Hawke: there are still some typographical and other problems

18:08:27 <schneid> q+

q+

18:08:32 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:08:37 <IanH> ack schneid

Ian Horrocks: ack schneid

18:09:25 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:09:42 <schneid> schneid: I will be finished with my editorial work/checks of the Full document tomorrow evening

Michael Schneider: I will be finished with my editorial work/checks of the Full document tomorrow evening

18:09:53 <schneid> IanH: please send then a mail to let Sandro know

Ian Horrocks: please send then a mail to let Sandro know

18:10:00 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:10:10 <schneid> Subtopic: rdf:text

2.2. rdf:text

18:10:19 <schneid> IanH: there was some issue with rdf:text

Ian Horrocks: there was some issue with rdf:text

18:10:24 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:10:35 <schneid> Subtopic: Primer

2.3. Primer

18:10:44 <schneid> IanH: we discussed last week about the Primer

Ian Horrocks: we discussed last week about the Primer

18:11:31 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:11:43 <sandro> Sandro: let's mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef

Sandro Hawke: let's mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:12:08 <schneid> Sandro: I can go and work on it

Sandro Hawke: I can go and work on it

18:12:13 <sandro> ACTION: ian mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef

ACTION: ian mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef

18:12:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-253 - Mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef [on Ian Horrocks - due 2008-12-03].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-253 - Mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef [on Ian Horrocks - due 2008-12-03].

18:12:50 <schneid> Subtopic: Grammar appendices

2.4. Grammar appendices

18:13:06 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:13:27 <schneid> IanH: believes that boris will fill appendix when everything else will be fine

Ian Horrocks: believes that boris will fill appendix when everything else will be fine

18:13:32 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:13:38 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace

18:14:02 <schneid> IanH: can we go to LC with EdNotes there?

Ian Horrocks: can we go to LC with EdNotes there?

18:14:11 <schneid> Sandro: No problem, will be no change in design

Sandro Hawke: No problem, will be no change in design

18:14:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:14:18 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:14:21 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:14:25 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:14:25 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:14:33 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:14:38 <schneid> IanH: it's just pasting text from the document to the appendix

Ian Horrocks: it's just pasting text from the document to the appendix

18:14:56 <schneid> bmotik: I can do this tomorrow for Profiles

Boris Motik: I can do this tomorrow for Profiles

18:15:06 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:15:40 <bmotik> ACTION: bmotik2 to Create missing grammars in the documents

ACTION: bmotik2 to Create missing grammars in the documents

18:15:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-254 - Create missing grammars in the documents [on Boris Motik - due 2008-12-03].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-254 - Create missing grammars in the documents [on Boris Motik - due 2008-12-03].

18:15:44 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:15:44 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:15:45 <schneid> IanH: otherwise people will have a hard time to work with this document

Ian Horrocks: otherwise people will have a hard time to work with this document

18:15:50 <alanr> zakim, unmute me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me

18:15:50 <Zakim> alanr should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should no longer be muted

18:15:59 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:16:09 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

18:16:12 <bmotik> Let's remove this section

Boris Motik: Let's remove this section

18:16:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:16:14 <schneid> Subtopic: Differences from OWL 1

2.5. Differences from OWL 1

18:16:16 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:16:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:16:36 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:16:40 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:16:41 <schneid> alanr: a good thing to have such a section there

Alan Ruttenberg: a good thing to have such a section there

18:16:47 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:16:48 <schneid> q+

q+

18:16:49 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:16:53 <Zakim> bmotik was not muted, bmotik

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik was not muted, bmotik

18:17:04 <alanr> zakim, mute me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute me

18:17:04 <Zakim> alanr should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should now be muted

18:17:07 <IanH> ack schneid

Ian Horrocks: ack schneid

18:17:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:17:44 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:17:55 <alanr> +1 to putting it in new features as well

Alan Ruttenberg: +1 to putting it in new features as well

18:18:14 <alanr> perhaps leave an editors note there

Alan Ruttenberg: perhaps leave an editors note there

18:18:19 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:18:34 <bmotik> can I remove this section?

Boris Motik: can I remove this section?

18:18:35 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:18:36 <schneid> schneid: have started to create an item list on changes to OWL 1 Full, but will finish it not before LC

Michael Schneider: have started to create an item list on changes to OWL 1 Full, but will finish it not before LC

18:18:41 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:18:53 <schneid> IanH: what about putting it in special document

Ian Horrocks: what about putting it in special document

18:19:17 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:19:19 <schneid> schneid: will go on with Full document for the moment, and then move it, if we decide to put it there

Michael Schneider: will go on with Full document for the moment, and then move it, if we decide to put it there

18:19:21 <bmotik> q-

Boris Motik: q-

18:19:21 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:20:47 <schneid> IanH: (explains to christine) we have currently a section in the Syntax document on changes between OWL 1 and 2, but discuss to move this section to the separate document

Ian Horrocks: (explains to christine) we have currently a section in the Syntax document on changes between OWL 1 and 2, but discuss to move this section to the separate document

18:20:55 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:21:03 <schneid> Subtopic: Relative URIs

2.6. Relative URIs

18:21:06 <alanr> zakim, unmute me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me

18:21:06 <Zakim> alanr should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should no longer be muted

18:21:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:21:08 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

18:21:14 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:21:30 <schneid> IanH: believes to understand the state of discussion was that nothing needs to be done

Ian Horrocks: believes to understand the state of discussion was that nothing needs to be done

18:21:31 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:21:45 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:21:51 <sandro> (referred section of Syntax, from above is: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Appendix:_Differences_from_OWL_1_Abstract_Syntax_.28Nonnormative.29 )

Sandro Hawke: (referred section of Syntax, from above is: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Appendix:_Differences_from_OWL_1_Abstract_Syntax_.28Nonnormative.29 )

18:22:47 <schneid> bmotik: realized after email discussion

Boris Motik: realized after email discussion

18:23:19 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:23:21 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

18:23:26 <schneid> ... if shifting documents around, the relative URI will get resolved with something else

... if shifting documents around, the relative URI will get resolved with something else

18:23:27 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:23:30 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:24:08 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:24:14 <IanH> alanr: previously said that he only wanted to make sure that use of relative URIs is not outlawed.

Alan Ruttenberg: previously said that he only wanted to make sure that use of relative URIs is not outlawed. [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ]

18:24:17 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:24:33 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:24:36 <schneid> alanr: we don't want to prohibit tools from doing it

Alan Ruttenberg: we don't want to prohibit tools from doing it

18:25:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:25:09 <schneid> bmotik: several syntaxes have a base (RDF syntax, Functional syntax)

Boris Motik: several syntaxes have a base (RDF syntax, Functional syntax)

18:25:15 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:25:39 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:26:24 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:26:42 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:26:51 <schneid> bmotik: not mentioned anywhere, it's up to the tools

Boris Motik: not mentioned anywhere, it's up to the tools

18:26:59 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:27:14 <alanr> nothing prohibits a tool from reserializating a relative URI found in a document as a relative URI, despite the fact that the structure only has full URIs.

Alan Ruttenberg: nothing prohibits a tool from reserializating a relative URI found in a document as a relative URI, despite the fact that the structure only has full URIs.

18:27:15 <schneid> Subtopic: RIF coordination

2.7. RIF coordination

18:27:18 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:27:23 <JeffP> q+

Jeff Pan: q+

18:27:50 <schneid> IanH: issues were about datatypes and OWL RL

Ian Horrocks: issues were about datatypes and OWL RL

18:27:54 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:27:57 <uli> q+

Uli Sattler: q+

18:28:01 <IanH> ack JeffP

Ian Horrocks: ack JeffP

18:28:04 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

18:28:21 <schneid> JeffP: RIF document talks about DLP, not OWL RL

Jeff Pan: RIF document talks about DLP, not OWL RL

18:28:27 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

18:28:27 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted

18:28:29 <IanH> ack uli

Ian Horrocks: ack uli

18:28:52 <schneid> uli: has sent a review to RIF WG on RIF / OWL compatibility

Uli Sattler: has sent a review to RIF WG on RIF / OWL compatibility

18:29:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:29:20 <schneid> ... main point was that it would make things easier when replacing DLP by OWL RL

... main point was that it would make things easier when replacing DLP by OWL RL

18:29:43 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:29:46 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:29:55 <uli> zakim, unmute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me

18:29:55 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli

Zakim IRC Bot: uli was not muted, uli

18:29:59 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

18:29:59 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

18:30:23 <schneid> IanH: understood mail from Uli that RIF should be brought up to date to current OWL development

Ian Horrocks: understood mail from Uli that RIF should be brought up to date to current OWL development

18:31:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:31:25 <schneid> alanr: we could add At-Risk note in Profiles that we are coordinating with RIF

Alan Ruttenberg: we could add At-Risk note in Profiles that we are coordinating with RIF

18:31:39 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:31:39 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:31:41 <schneid> q+

q+

18:31:49 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

18:31:49 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted

18:32:04 <schneid> sandro: have doubts about this

Sandro Hawke: have doubts about this

18:32:07 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:32:29 <schneid> q-

q-

18:32:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:33:08 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:33:12 <schneid> alanr: should we consider for something like "the RL rules should be represented in RIF style"?

Alan Ruttenberg: should we consider for something like "the RL rules should be represented in RIF style"?

18:33:21 <schneid> sandro: we should do

Sandro Hawke: we should do

18:33:39 <schneid> sandro: changing to RIF wouldn't change anything in essence

Sandro Hawke: changing to RIF wouldn't change anything in essence

18:34:05 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:34:15 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

18:34:34 <schneid> ivan: "at-risk" idea looks strange to him

Ivan Herman: "at-risk" idea looks strange to him

18:34:39 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:35:23 <schneid> ivan: no reason for us to say "at risk" because RIF has chance to simply comment on LC

Ivan Herman: no reason for us to say "at risk" because RIF has chance to simply comment on LC

18:36:14 <pfps> +1 to Ivan's proposal

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to Ivan's proposal

18:36:23 <pfps> ... (so far)

Peter Patel-Schneider: ... (so far)

18:36:23 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:36:29 <schneid> ivan: it's not necessary to have RIF representation in the profiles spec, we can have a Note coordinated with the RIF WG, which represents the RL rules in RIF style

Ivan Herman: it's not necessary to have RIF representation in the profiles spec, we can have a Note coordinated with the RIF WG, which represents the RL rules in RIF style

18:37:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:37:14 <sandro> q+ to suggest at-risking all DT's not in RIF

Sandro Hawke: q+ to suggest at-risking all DT's not in RIF

18:37:17 <schneid> ivan: we should not delay our process for this topic

Ivan Herman: we should not delay our process for this topic

18:37:57 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

18:38:06 <schneid> bmotik: if this is a risky topic, then we should have a telco with the RIF people, and ask what the differences are to current style for rules

Boris Motik: if this is a risky topic, then we should have a telco with the RIF people, and ask what the differences are to current style for rules

18:38:06 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:38:27 <IanH> ack sandro

Ian Horrocks: ack sandro

18:38:27 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to suggest at-risking all DT's not in RIF

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to suggest at-risking all DT's not in RIF

18:38:32 <schneid> sandro: supports idea by bmotik

Sandro Hawke: supports idea by bmotik

18:38:55 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:39:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:39:25 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:39:27 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:39:51 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:39:57 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:40:02 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

18:40:02 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

18:40:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:40:41 <ivan> +1 to an editorial note

Ivan Herman: +1 to an editorial note

18:40:48 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:41:01 <sandro> +1 editorial note that a RIF serialization will come along.

Sandro Hawke: +1 editorial note that a RIF serialization will come along.

18:41:02 <schneid> alanr: supports having editorial note in the Profiles document on talking about coordination with RIF WG

Alan Ruttenberg: supports having editorial note in the Profiles document on talking about coordination with RIF WG

18:41:13 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:41:14 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:41:14 <schneid> ... in order to give people a chance to comment on this

... in order to give people a chance to comment on this

18:41:21 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:41:25 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

18:41:25 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted

18:41:38 <JeffP> yes

Jeff Pan: yes

18:41:52 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:41:54 <schneid> bmotik: datatype issue, RIF does not have all these string based datatypes that are in OWL 2

Boris Motik: datatype issue, RIF does not have all these string based datatypes that are in OWL 2

18:42:16 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:42:24 <schneid> ... don't believe that set of datatypes have to be the same between RIF and in Profiles

... don't believe that set of datatypes have to be the same between RIF and in Profiles

18:42:32 <JeffP> q+

Jeff Pan: q+

18:42:38 <schneid> ... because RIF has an extension clause, just as OWL has one

... because RIF has an extension clause, just as OWL has one

18:42:46 <schneid> ... for adding datatypes

... for adding datatypes

18:42:50 <sandro> q+ to complain about "just have to extend...", schedule telecon

Sandro Hawke: q+ to complain about "just have to extend...", schedule telecon

18:42:56 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:43:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:43:18 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL

Jeff Pan: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL

18:43:31 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:43:35 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

18:43:59 <schneid> ivan: there are datatypes in OWL RL (owl:real and owl:rational) which are in the problematic area

Ivan Herman: there are datatypes in OWL RL (owl:real and owl:rational) which are in the problematic area

18:44:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:44:12 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:44:13 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q-

18:44:31 <schneid> ... don't understand why certain datatypes are in OWL RL and others not

... don't understand why certain datatypes are in OWL RL and others not

18:44:46 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:44:53 <sandro> okay to 'datatypes in OWL RL'

Sandro Hawke: okay to 'datatypes in OWL RL'

18:45:00 <schneid> IanH: we should only talk about datatypes in OWL RL, not in complete OWL

Ian Horrocks: we should only talk about datatypes in OWL RL, not in complete OWL

18:45:26 <sandro> PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call.

PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call.

18:45:32 <IanH> ack JeffP

Ian Horrocks: ack JeffP

18:46:14 <schneid> JeffP: RIF WG has tried to represent OWL RL in RIF

Jeff Pan: RIF WG has tried to represent OWL RL in RIF

18:46:30 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:46:36 <schneid> IanH: did they have difficulties?

Ian Horrocks: did they have difficulties?

18:46:45 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:46:47 <schneid> JeffP: only problem seems to be datatype mismatch

Jeff Pan: only problem seems to be datatype mismatch

18:47:30 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:47:37 <schneid> bmotik: explains criterion for set of datatypes in RL

Boris Motik: explains criterion for set of datatypes in RL

18:48:14 <sandro> PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback about what's available in rules engines.

PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback about what's available in rules engines.

18:48:18 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:48:54 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

18:49:08 <schneid> bmotik: there is no implementor's issue

Boris Motik: there is no implementor's issue

18:49:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:50:08 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:50:13 <schneid> sandro: RIF WG want's to produce rule reasoners that are automatically RL reasoners

Sandro Hawke: RIF WG want's to produce rule reasoners that are automatically RL reasoners

18:50:29 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:50:38 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:50:44 <alanr> we are majorly involved with technical discussion here. Do we want to be?

Alan Ruttenberg: we are majorly involved with technical discussion here. Do we want to be?

18:50:58 <sandro> bmotik: all datatypes are opaque from the perspective of the OWL-RL ruleset

Boris Motik: all datatypes are opaque from the perspective of the OWL-RL ruleset [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:51:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:51:29 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL the current work of the RIF group on combining RIF and OWL RL

Ivan Herman: -&gt; http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL the current work of the RIF group on combining RIF and OWL RL

18:52:00 <sandro> PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback

PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback

18:52:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:52:23 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:52:26 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

18:52:28 <bmotik> 0

Boris Motik: 0

18:52:32 <JeffP> +1

Jeff Pan: +1

18:52:33 <baojie> 0

Jie Bao: 0

18:52:35 <bcuencagrau> 0

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: 0

18:52:43 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

18:52:47 <MarkusK_> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

18:52:50 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

18:52:55 <Rinke> 0

Rinke Hoekstra: 0

18:53:05 <schneid> schneid: 0

Michael Schneider: 0

18:53:08 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

18:53:21 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

18:53:21 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

18:53:23 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

18:53:32 <sandro> RESOLVED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback

RESOLVED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback

18:54:02 <sandro> Boris to do this and add editorial note about RIF coordination.

Sandro Hawke: Boris to do this and add editorial note about RIF coordination.

18:54:20 <schneid> ivan: we need an action for building a TF

Ivan Herman: we need an action for building a TF

18:54:44 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:54:45 <schneid> IanH: it's not urgent to do so

Ian Horrocks: it's not urgent to do so

18:55:22 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:56:02 <schneid> IanH: last point, double check process for publication

Ian Horrocks: last point, double check process for publication

18:56:21 <schneid> IanH: everyone confirmed that the documents are finished tomorrow

Ian Horrocks: everyone confirmed that the documents are finished tomorrow

18:56:21 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:56:36 <ivan> clap clap clap

Ivan Herman: clap clap clap

18:56:37 <pfps> I just ran checklinks and validate on all 11 documents - all problems have been sent out

Peter Patel-Schneider: I just ran checklinks and validate on all 11 documents - all problems have been sent out

18:56:38 <schneid> IanH: so we can publish next week?

Ian Horrocks: so we can publish next week?

18:56:39 <JeffP> good

Jeff Pan: good

18:56:49 <sandro> thanks, peter!

Sandro Hawke: thanks, peter!

18:57:01 <pfps> pubrules is a different matter, however :-(

Peter Patel-Schneider: pubrules is a different matter, however :-(

18:57:05 <schneid> IanH: again, congrats to everyone for the hard work on the documents

Ian Horrocks: again, congrats to everyone for the hard work on the documents


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