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<scribe> scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
<scribe> scribeNick: oedipus
RM: testing complete, yam?
Yam: sent report to steven -- still need 2
independent implementations
... opera offers browser for japanese implementations
RM: can you approach them?
Yam: no contacts
GJR: i can follow up with openwave
Yam: steven has mentioned openwave
... produced internal version testing -- need to find out what they are
doing
RM: guess it will have to wait until new year and steven's return
Yam: access input mode - requested to test by mike(tm)smith
RM: mike w3c staff, right?
Yam: staff contact for MWI
GJR: now staff contact for HTML WG
RM: find out where we are from steven's point of view -- don't know why didn't share report -- perhaps not around -- will discuss in the new year
RM: processed Role comments last week -- any more shane?
shane: working through them
RM: modularization comment on IRIs
mark: thought someone took action on this -- think sent mail to RichS on this topic
RM: item in question from frank -- addressed?
mark: not yet addressed
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0017
<Roland> WD xhtml-modularization -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0017
RM: underway on that one?
mark: never done anything on this -- let's ponder a moment, shall we?
[the group ponders]
RM: suggesting we plagerize schema spec for URIs?
mark: already do
RM: comment in 4.3 -- may be superfluous -- if remove note and just refer to schema should be ok
mark: ok -- wish i knew why note was added...
RM: people asked about IRIs in past
... shane, can you remove not?
shane: doing it right now -- done
RM: can close this particular item
shane: not in issue tracking system -- no formal comment on spec in comment period
RM: wouldn't do any harm to reply to poster that removing note
shane: will send response
RM: great
RM: not sure can do much about this
<Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0001
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0001.html
GJR thoughts: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0006.html
RM: not sure anything to do here -- talking about XHTML5 -- consumer confusion concerns -- why not just HTML5 with XML serialization
shane: not XHTML -- nothing in common with actual HTML5
RM: just anounced public draft to be published
GJR: 26 February 2008 -- trying to move up (issuing the first public draft of HTML5)
RM: approval for issuing first WD done
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/0203.html
RM: looking at ChrisL's approval - HTML5 spec
first WD will be published next week 27 december 2007
... not sure should agonize over what HTML5 is doing
shane: agree
GJR: agree
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0023
[the sound of silent reading]
shane: already dealt with this
RM: complete?
shane: yes
RM: how to write up what to do in this area?
shane: moved DTDs out of TR space -- under /MarkUp now -- may be part of problem
<scribe> ACTION: Roland to sort out versioning and shortnames [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
shane: if have updated WD if something is already a rec, is it our responsibility to alert the validator people
RM: dated version goes to TR space when
actually recommendation -- can't replace 1.1
... also versined through dated name
shane: going forward, need to say DTD identifier is gotten to from dated name -- otherwise go to wrong DTD
RM: will review and share info with WG
... close this item in tracker
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0021
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0033.html
RM: replied to item 33?
shane: yes, had as action last week
<ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab
shane: real topic is producing vocabulary
document at end of vocabulary reference
... needs to use new content-negotiation stuff TAG currently debating; Ralph
Swick offered assisstance
... plan is to produce document at URI i cited that uses RDFa to encode the
vocabulary
<markbirbeck> :)
shane: think that should go long way towards resolution -- what is the default prefix in XHTML family documents -- we've said "it is this"
mark: agree (for the time-being)
<markbirbeck> (Should have '#' on the end.)
RM: going to be a while before finish?
shane: before end of year -- relatively simple, just has to be done
<ShaneM> ACTION: ShaneM to produce a vocabulary document that will go at the vocab# URI and use RDFa to annotate the items. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]
RM: ok, we can move on then...
... state of HTML5 still in flux -- just received note from Ian Jacobs -- in
middle of publishing moratorium
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0009
shane: m12n 2 doesn't have legacy module --
doesn't mean can't, just don't have one
... 2 issues: 1) put those in legacy module; 2) should there be a legacy
module in XHTML2 or not -- should it be part of language or available to
those extending language
RM: shouldn't make decision until discern what
legacy will be needed
... how to dispose of note - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0009
shane: [re-reads comment] suggesting we make
changes to what is in legacy module for 1.1 -- asking us to add things to
1.1
... it isn't a bad suggestion --
RM: anyone any thoughts on this?
shane: legacy module not used by anybody in reality
RM: problems with legacy module
Yam: used legacy modules to define so could apply CSS
shane: would introducing these attributes help or hurt?
Yam: if have legacy module don't think will hurt
<ShaneM> Concerned that adding things to legacy will change conformance requirements...
RM: please think about it shane and yam and everyone else -- return to it in new year -- been around for a long time, so should clear ASAP
shane: want to hear StevenP's opinion on it, too
RM: will discuss in new year
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0009
azkim, draft minutes
shane: DL with "type" attribute -- this is ancient stuff -- asking for reply to older post; HTML4 comment not our balliwick -- comment about modularization legacy which can't find (no pointer provided)
RM: no reference to previous note
shane: found it -- sent on 27 july -- found in
personal mailbox
... sent to html-editor -- says DL doesn't take type attribute in m12n --
he's right
... think i can just fix it -- have to update the decisions and comments
document
<ShaneM> ACTION: Update M12N DoC and M12N to remove the erroneous @type from the dl element in legacy. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html#action03]
RM: you'll reply to commenter directly as well
shane: yes
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0038.html
shane: already responded and told them we will do it
RM: ok another issue cleared
RM: syntax problems
Suffix ambiguity: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-wg/2007JanMar/0066.html
Syntax problems (PR#8010) - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JanMar/0051
Comments on WD-curie-20070307 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0000
RM: double colon is valid -- first colon
delimiter, second part of URI -- first prefix has to be named
... thought we investigated this
shane: numbers are in hex without leading zero
RM: http://blah.blah[hexvalue]
<markbirbeck> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Literal_IPv6_addresses_in_URLs
[much reading and pondering]
<markbirbeck> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Notation
mark: to get double-colon using feature that
allows substitution of two colons for zero
... could be six quadruple zeros
shane: what's the real issue?
... is it actually a problem?
mark: if an IPv6 appears without protocol at front and relative path at end can be (mark can you finish your thought in IRC?)
<markbirbeck> i.e., if it's possible to have this: "[dead::beef]", then we hvae a problem.
<markbirbeck> But...
<markbirbeck> if you have to hvae this: "http://[dead::beef]/" then we don't.
2 minute warning
<markbirbeck> ...just looking at rfc 2732 ...
MB: like hostname
shane: has to have scheme
s/postname/hostname
shane: ever replied to this?
... check and see if in issue tracking system
RM: quoting "alternatively, the ambiguity brackets... could be disposed of using suffixes and CURIEs"
it's a might be a problem, not a documented problem
shane: what to do with this
mark: need to reply
shane: typing it now -- i'll do it (curie suffix URI ambiguity)
GJR wants to publicly thank shane for work on improving the W3C diffmarking service
mark: clarify -- "CURIE syntax document should warn..." -- should just tighten up -- should say thanks for comment we will be tightening up
RM: some other CURIE bits and RDFa module issues -- syntax issues and comments; let's work our way through this on list and get onto more current issues
<markbirbeck> happy Xmas everyone!
<yamx> Season's greetings and happy holidays!
set logs public
rrsagent set logs public
<ShaneM> ahh okay
thanks shane
<ShaneM> my cats are climbing my xmas tree - way funny
my cats are climbing me and have been all telecon long - not very funny (well, it would be if i weren't the object of their climbing)
<alessio> haha
who's in the 763 area code?
<ShaneM> me
ok
<Roland> minutes now look good, thanks for scribing
no problem -- just trying to tie up loose ends
<Roland> excellent
roland, do you know who the other mystery phone number belongs to?
+020768aabb
<Roland> could be mark birbeck
ah..
<Roland> looks like a London number
sometimes the syntax for correcting/removing numbers doesn't seem to work, other times it does...
<Roland> 020768 is the start of Mark.B's phone number
should i just leave the numbers in the attendees list?
<Roland> I do not think they create any difficulties
ok
<Roland> thanks again. Season's Greetings!
same to you!
<alessio> same to you :)
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