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<msporny> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html
<benadida> http://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent
<scribe> scribe: ShaneM
<benadida> Scribe: ShaneM
<benadida> ScribeNick: ShaneM
<benadida> actions -> http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] -- continues
<scribe> ACTION: Manu to add test cases for @instanceof combined with hanging @rel [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] --done
<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] Manu to put together set of test cases for hanging @rel [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] Ben check that browsers do preserve whitespace in attribute values [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
Whitespace is always preserved in all attribute values.
<scribe> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
<msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0071.html
<msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
Test Case 46...
<scribe> ACTION: Shane to add anchors to rdfa-syntax spec for element and attribute definitions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]
<markbirbeck_> I can't quite hear properly...are we on test 46?
ben and mark agree on an interpretation, but that does not match the current version of the test. There are two bnodes generated.
manu seems to get what they are saying.
this test remains on hold.
<msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0070.html
Test Case 51...
<Ralph> Shane: isn't @about="" the default?
<Ralph> Mark: yep
Purpose of the change is to set the type of the entire document.
Mark is concerned that this test is not using the *right* way to set the document type.
Ralph says that is probably true, but this test case is still valid.
Shane agrees.
Mark is conerned that the right way to set document type (@instanceof on head) is probably not being tested yet.
<Ralph> +1 to adding another test for the HEAD alternative to the @about="" @instanceof case
The title of test 51 is also misleading. It should be single property and about.
Ben restates the philosophy that "more test cases is better than too few". If the title is misleading, we should change it.
<markbirbeck_> <head instanceof="foaf:Document">
<markbirbeck_> ...
<markbirbeck_> </head>
<scribe> ACTION: Manu create an additional test case where @instanceof on head is used to set the global document type. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
Mark: this works because @about="" is implied on the head element.
<msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0025.html
<msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0071.html
Test Case 56...
Everyone agrees that this is fine. Approved.
Test Case 57...
This one also seems fine. Approved.
Test Case 58...
<Ralph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0028.html
The SPARQL needs to have the angle brackets removed from the bnodes.
Approved modulo fixing the SPARQL (remove angle brackets from bnodes)
<Ralph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0042.html
Test Case 59...
<Ralph> proposed test 59
Manu asks of @instanceif applies to @resource. Ben says it does not, and Mark agrees.
Discussion about @src and whether it should be a subject or an object.....
<benadida> ACTION: Ben to write up example and explanation of @src as subject for IMG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
<markbirbeck_> This is from Ivan's email:
<markbirbeck_> - an old use case for @instanceof was the
<markbirbeck_> <div about="#a" >
<markbirbeck_> <img rel="a:b" src="http://a.b.c" instanceof="w:p"/>
<markbirbeck_> </div>
<markbirbeck_> where we wanted rdf:type to apply on <http://a.b.c>. My reading from
<markbirbeck_> these rules is that this will not happen...
<markbirbeck_> It's in the thread called "New processing rules", and is his first reply to me.
This test case is consistent with the current rules.
Approved, but note that interpretation might change if Ben's action results in a change.
<markbirbeck_> Would be interesting to know if Ivan would be happy with:
Test Case 60...
<Ralph> proposed test 60
<markbirbeck_> <div about="#a" rel="a:b">
<markbirbeck_> <img src="http://a.b.c" instanceof="w:p"/>
<markbirbeck_> </div>
Ralph likes this test!
No objections. Approved.
Test Case 61...
<Ralph> proposed test 61
The SPARQL is slightly wrong - the prefix for default CURIEs is http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#
Approved, after fixing the default prefix.
Test Case 62...
Shane notes that the href should really be for "prevChapter", not "nextChapter".
Mark suggests we use a relative URI for the next test / previous test as part of the test.
<Ralph> proposed test 62
<scribe> ACTION: Manu to add test cases to ensure URLs are resolved relative to base correctly against @about, @resource, and @href. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
Change the @href in test case 62 to 0063.html for the "prev". Also change the text in the document so it is more consistent. And the vocab URI prefix.
URI in the SPARQL should be 0063 as well ( we are a "rev" of a "prev")
Manu requests this remain on hold 'cause there are a lot of changes.
Test Case 63...
<Ralph> proposed test 63
Change title to "empty prefix". Change CURIE default prefix to vocab#.
Also change the rel to reference the next test case.
Approved after making the above changes.
Test Case 64...
<Ralph> proposed test 64
Shane was confused about where "_:dan" lives. It doesn't really live in this example, but that's okay.
Ralph suggests we change the example to use foaf:mbox instead of foaf:knows
Ben suggests we leave it alone - its a valid test as is.
Simplest change is to get away from a mailto
Approved modulo changing the URL to an href for Libby.
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to check with Libby and make sure it is okay for us to use her address. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
Test Case 65...
<Ralph> proposed test 65
Approved with the change that there should be no nagle brackets around bnodes in the SPARQL.
Test Cases 47, 48, 52, and 53...
These tests have @instanceof apply to @resource. Since this is no longer the case...
Ben asked if anyone objects to the path we are going down. No one did.
<benadida> PROPOSE that we accept the Birbeck Chaining Rules (with some edge cases to be worked out soon)
RESOLUTION: we accept the Birbeck Chaining Rules (with some edge cases to be worked out soon)
Ben asked when we will have a draft with the new rules? Mark says nearly done. Tomorrow?
Okay - Mark will have his changes done sometime tomorrow - Ben and Shane will review over the weekend. Others are invited to review as well.
<Ralph> [I'm not finding a FOAF URI for Libby Miller -- even DanBri foaf:knows [ a foaf:Person, foaf:mbox mailto:libby.miller@bristol.ac.uk]; without giving her a URI
<Ralph> [so perhaps our test should be _:Danbri foaf:knows <http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i>.
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