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7 September 2007

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Shawn, Harvey, Judy, William, Andrew, Jack, Shadi, Sharron, Justin, Helle, Sylvie
Regrets
Wayne, Henny, Alan, Doyle
Chair
Judy
Scribe
Andrew, Shadi

Contents


WCAG 2.0 presentation

Judy: how did people find the survey?

Andrew: ok - but easier to prepare and submit a document wit all my comments

William: reminded me of feedback where you have to fill in a form, rather than sending free-form email

Jack: didn't use it due to pressure of other work this week & didn't have many comments

Sharron: ditto - not enough time

Judy: lets look at the presentation survey results
(http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/wcag20pres-easy1/results)

Shawn: Andrew's and Sylvie's comments accommodated

Judy: any suggestions for shortening the overall length (even though it is customisable) - the current length itself (number of slides) may be overwhelming

Shadi: might be good to explain this more clearly - and encourage people to customise according to audience and time available

William: is this the covered in the instructions?

Shawn: the instructions deal with this

Shadi: may need more in the instructions - and a short version on the opening (throw-away) slide

Judy: may need to be clearer - e.g."how to customise/shorten the presentation"
... and point the users to this from the first slide

Andrew: make it clear that they should do not have to use the full set - they should just select slides that are appropriate to their audience and the time available

Shadi: in looking at the business case suite, we say quite clearly that there is more than you will need, and to select the appropriate parts to use - can we use similar wording here?

Judy: over to editor?

ACTION: changelog, instructions: consider saying more about shortening, leaving out slides for shorter presentations. and audience. look at wording in Business Case.

William: can we provide any guidance about blocks of slides to leave out (and possibly replace with a single summary slide)?

Judy: decided previously that this was out-of-scope for this release

Shawn: there is a table of contents to help guide presenters
(http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/wcag20pres/wcag20pres#outline)

William: can we include this somehow in the instructions about customisation - even linking

Andrew: and add a link from the first slide

Judy: Wayne's suggestion is Editor's Discretion - but is actually about WCAG 2.0 wording
... Liam's comment are mostly Editor's Discretion - but a few good ones such as statistics

Sharon: like the idea of adding some of these stats to speakers notes to give meaning to 'collaboration'

Jack: can we add something about 'people all over the world'

Shadi: number of people + number of comments

Helle: stats can be misleading too - e.g. can't conclude because "too many cooks"

Shawn: we do say WCAG working group is made up of .... (without being too specific)
... there is still an open issue regarding how to describe the working group

Shadi: maybe adding something about the review list?

Judy: suggest lightly follow up on this - if easy

Helle: "900" comments received would be ok - but breakdown might be misleading

ACTION: changelog, slides: consider adding some info about the # of contributors (in Notes). maybe also/instead countries. see Liam's comment on slide #8. consider using the number of (Wendy's) Call for Review list.

Judy: also found some notes were too long to view online

Andrew: will help debug this

ACTION: changelog, slides: consider Notes length and format so all print in default printing.

Judy: shadi had comments that he wanted considered

Shawn: opening slide should just point to material in instructions (not repeat)

Shadi: this would help, but still think we need to frame the context

Judy: if you opened up these slides - what would you be expecting?

Justin: and people will customise and pass around, and customise again ...

ACTION: changelog, slides: think about those landing on the slides -- and derivatives! -- put pointer to instructions throughout ...

scribe: Shadi

Judy: [reads Shadi comment on slide #5 - (WCAG is for ...)]

Shawn: will address it

Judy: [reads Shadi comment on slide #10 - Improvements through revisions]

William: same title was confusing

Judy: [reads Shadi comment on slide #16 - What WCAG 2.0 gives you]

Shadi: don't understand what this slide is trying to say

Judy: [reads Shadi comment on slide #22 - Bell Harbor screen capture]

Shawn: text alone is not as powerful as with a concrete example
... feel strongly about keeping it

William: title is invisible

Shawn: for screen reader users, not enough room to add title too for sighted people

Shadi: notes seems to say that WCAG 1.0 is not usable
...but can better describe the gray area
...also concerned about Bell Harbor web site

Shawn: is there something in the BAD demo we can reuse?

Shadi: I think the links but not sure, need to look up

Scribe: Andrew

Judy: WCAG 2.0 will address many things better than WCAG 1.0

Shadi: agree, but we need to be careful what we say - which checkpoints we demonstrate
[for the record, I'm not against this checkpoint, just against how the point is *communicated*]

Judy: can we possibly change the graphic? can we use other issues?

ACTION: shadi to see what is available in the BAD site

ACTION: @@ soften issue with WCAG 1.0 - Shadi's point @@ The checkpoint is not specific enough to clearly determine whether or not this page meets it.

Shawn: would really like a mocked up page just for this presentation

William: offers to assist Shawn

ACTION: william mock up colour contrast slide -- Shawn send details

Judy: [reads Shadi comment on slide #59 - Accessibility {not equal to} WCAG]

Shawn: agrees to implement

Shadi: raises contrast issue
... especially for slide 64 (with 'components' diagram

Shawn: tried to grey out 'old' stuff as we built up to #64

Judy: what solution does Shawn have in mind?

Shadi: could you add a highlighting technique such as in slide 55?

Shawn: will try - might also add a just 'developers' intermediate slide too

Judy: any other comments?

Sharron: excellent - just a little long

Jack: great job, says some good things

Judy: lets look at "instructions" and the "instructions survey"
(http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/wcag20pres-cover1/results)

Shawn: agreed with all suggestions - still a few to implement

Shadi: relates to http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/wcag20pres/wcag20pres

ACTION: shawn -- WBS -- issue of "questions" without use input not showing up in Results

ACTION: shawn - remember copyright issue with photos

Shadi: asks about copyright and clarity of instructions relating to this (especially images)

ACTION: changelog, instructions: do something with image permissions - probably put in fine print at the end

Andrew: suggests separating Images opening para into two (single sentience) para's - separates the two ideas

ACTION: changelog, instructions: includes permission to translate

Sylvie: asks about including something about translations

Meeting in November in Boston

Judy: scheduled for Monday & Tuesday
... suggests booking soon as hotels are filling up

Shadi: Tech Plenary day will have 'lightening talks' - will be calls for contributions

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: @@ soften issue with WCAG 1.0 � Shadi�s point @@ The checkpoint is not specific enough to clearly determine whether or not this page meets it. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/07-eo-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: changelog, instructions: consider saying more about shortening, leaving out slides for shorter presentations. and audience. look at wording in Business Case. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/07-eo-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: changelog, instructions: do something with image permissions - probably put in fine print at the end [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/07-eo-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: changelog, instructions: includes permission to translate [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/07-eo-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: changelog, slides: consider adding some info about the # of contributors (in Notes). maybe also/instead countries. see Liam's comment on slide #8. consider using the number of (Wendy's) Call for Review list. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/07-eo-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: changelog, slides: consider Notes length and format so all print in default printing. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/07-eo-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: changelog, slides: think about those landing on the slides -- and derivatives! -- put pointer to instructions throughout ... [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/07-eo-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: shadi to see what is available in the BAD site [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/07-eo-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: shawn - remember copyright issue with photos [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/07-eo-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: shawn -- WBS -- issue of "questions" without use input not showing up in Results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/07-eo-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: william mock up colour contrast slide -- Shawn send details [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/07-eo-minutes.html#action07]
 
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