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<scribe> Scribe: JR
services impacting display/control
<AllanJ> JR: provide access to hidden or system settings
<AllanJ> CL: display properties are even more hidden in new OS
JR: Intended to mean ability to
bring up OS's preferences
... since sometimes hidden
CL: Even more hidden in XP
JA: I was focussed on the UA display
All: Some debate about where tooltips come from...system vs. UA specific vs content
CL: Content tooltips controlled by CSS
JR: Author-controlled tooltips
JA: User doesn't contol alt tooltips
<AllanJ> JR: author controlled tool tips, like ajax or css tooltips using span
<AllanJ> ...also UI tool tips for @alt and @title, and chrome
CL: So user agent tooltips + UI/Chrome tooltips need to respect OS conventions
<AllanJ> JR: mouse over an image, the UA chooses to use the tooltip widget from the OS, or...
JR: So we're saying keep the respect the OS tooltip conventions
CL: In general if something is controlled by system, we want UA's to repect that
JA: So should UA be providing
some way to change tooltips
... But kind of hate singling out tooltips
... Maybe instructions should be provided
JR: Gives save dialog example
JA: So maybe will abandon Tooltip
crusade...all User Agent tooltips including chrome should
inherit from OS
... And user-defined (AJAX) tooltips should be rendered as per
user settings
CL, JR: Clarify that rendered tooltips follow browser's rendering settings e.g. zoom
CL: Will ask BG about whether AJAX knows the OS settings for chrome tooltips
JR: Since the point of AJAX is author-customization they may not want to follow system settings - maybe matching the web page's scheme
CL: I know they do respect something to do with high contrast
JA: Imagine AJAX tooltip with an
image in it...and it has an alt...and then a mouseover calls a
system tooltip
... So we've decided to leave tooltips alone
... Standard tooltips are already covered.
... And so are author-defined
CL: JR's stuff maybe not a requirement but it could be an advisory technique.
<scribe> ACTION: JR to Rewrite OS settings as an advisory techniques [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-ua-minutes.html#action01]
JA: One or two places in
IE....that bring up system things
... Or maybe mistaken
... Oh...Internet Options in the OS control panel
... In Connections...
... Setup "Internet Connection"
CL: Yeah but was thinking Mouse cursors etc.
JA: Horse beaten.
<scribe> ACTION: JR, JA: Figure out how to store technique suggestions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-ua-minutes.html#action02]
JA: 1.1 looked ok
... 1.1 covers tooltip by keyboard?
All: Yes
CL: OK but in some cases...
... Without caret browsing can't get to images anyway
... Caret browsing doesn't have multiple selection
JA: Selection, copy, paste also covered
JR: In word: select something, hold ctrl key and select new stuff
JA: Let's stop for today
Next meeting Sept 13
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