<scribe> Scribe: JR

1. review action items

JR to Write something up regarding other potential system

services impacting display/control

<AllanJ> JR: provide access to hidden or system settings

<AllanJ> CL: display properties are even more hidden in new OS

JR: Intended to mean ability to bring up OS's preferences
... since sometimes hidden

CL: Even more hidden in XP

JA: I was focussed on the UA display

All: Some debate about where tooltips come from...system vs. UA specific vs content

CL: Content tooltips controlled by CSS

JR: Author-controlled tooltips

JA: User doesn't contol alt tooltips

<AllanJ> JR: author controlled tool tips, like ajax or css tooltips using span

<AllanJ> ...also UI tool tips for @alt and @title, and chrome

CL: So user agent tooltips + UI/Chrome tooltips need to respect OS conventions

<AllanJ> JR: mouse over an image, the UA chooses to use the tooltip widget from the OS, or...

JR: So we're saying keep the respect the OS tooltip conventions

CL: In general if something is controlled by system, we want UA's to repect that

JA: So should UA be providing some way to change tooltips
... But kind of hate singling out tooltips
... Maybe instructions should be provided

JR: Gives save dialog example

JA: So maybe will abandon Tooltip crusade...all User Agent tooltips including chrome should inherit from OS
... And user-defined (AJAX) tooltips should be rendered as per user settings

CL, JR: Clarify that rendered tooltips follow browser's rendering settings e.g. zoom

CL: Will ask BG about whether AJAX knows the OS settings for chrome tooltips

JR: Since the point of AJAX is author-customization they may not want to follow system settings - maybe matching the web page's scheme

CL: I know they do respect something to do with high contrast

JA: Imagine AJAX tooltip with an image in it...and it has an alt...and then a mouseover calls a system tooltip
... So we've decided to leave tooltips alone
... Standard tooltips are already covered.
... And so are author-defined

CL: JR's stuff maybe not a requirement but it could be an advisory technique.

<scribe> ACTION: JR to Rewrite OS settings as an advisory techniques [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-ua-minutes.html#action01]

JA: One or two places in IE....that bring up system things
... Or maybe mistaken
... Oh...Internet Options in the OS control panel
... In Connections...
... Setup "Internet Connection"

CL: Yeah but was thinking Mouse cursors etc.

JA: Horse beaten.

2. Review Guideline 1 suggestions

<scribe> ACTION: JR, JA: Figure out how to store technique suggestions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-ua-minutes.html#action02]

JA: 1.1 looked ok
... 1.1 covers tooltip by keyboard?

All: Yes

CL: OK but in some cases...
... Without caret browsing can't get to images anyway
... Caret browsing doesn't have multiple selection

JA: Selection, copy, paste also covered

JR: In word: select something, hold ctrl key and select new stuff

JA: Let's stop for today

Next meeting Sept 13

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007JulSep/0079.html
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