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Service Modeling Language Working Group Teleconference

12 Jul 2007

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Attendees

Present
+1.909.842.aaaa, john, ginny, Jim, Plh, [Microsoft], MSM, Kirk, Brian, Kumar, Sandy
Regrets
Paul, Zulah
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
kirk

Contents


 

 

<trackbot-ng> Date: 12 July 2007

<johnarwe> scribe: kirk

<scribe> scribe: Kirk

<scribe> meeting: XMLSML_WG

<johnarwe> on the phone: john, kirk, philippe, ginny, jim, msm, bassam, brian

absent: Marv, Milan

John introduces Kumar Pandit, who will assume Bassam's editors role.

Approval of Minutes

No updates to either set of minutes.

scribe: Both set of minutes are approved

Review of Action Items

Action 88 - MSM communicate dates Oct 15, 16, 17; Registation Page set up

scribe: Action to be Closed

Action 103 - John was unable to contact Milan. Additional contacts needed at Intel to see what is going on.

Action 93 - Philippe, will be discussed today

Action 97 - Philippe, no action

MSM will work on his action this weekend

Action 63 - James has inititated action (email). Not a bugzilla

Bassam, should edit action items regarding dates on his action items.

Discussion of Marv's Action items. This is an editor's action for all editors.
...Ginny: Editors will take care of this.
... Editors will come back to group on this.
... Marv should close this Action item.

Bugs and Issues

Brian has sent out consolidated list

Bugs on which there are disagreement:

4793: Constraints on ref type attribute (section 3.4):
...Resolution: P1

Columns: B is John, C is Ginny, D is Kirk

4795: Update 3.4.2.2 (regarding null references)

<Brian> quit
...Resolution: P1

4801: Resolution: P1

4802: John, syntax change that does not affect meaning
...Resolution: P1

<plh> John, the csv table is at http://www.w3.org/2007/07/sml-issues.html

4803: Need to refer to Schematron spec
...Resolution: P1

4807: Clarify section 5
...Resolution: P1

4817: Reword last sentence 3.2
...Resolution: P1

4818: Rewording of 3.2
...Note: this is in SML-IF
...Resolution: FPWD

4819: Append 3.3.2. "Floor/Ceiling" issue. Phrase is contrary to the idea how schemes are defined
...Resolution: P1

4823: definition of unresolved reference. Specification of issue seems to be incomplete. No indication of what the replacement should use.
... Editors need to make a proposal on this.
...Resolution: P1

4825: deref() against multiple references
...Resolution: P1

4826: Resolution: P1

4827: Resolution: P1

<MSM> 4800 fp

<MSM> 4801 p1

Ginny will change issue off line

<MSM> 4811 - leave alone

<MSM> 4812 13 16 17 fpwd

<MSM> 4834 p1

IRIs

<johnarwe> 4632 nor P2 Linu cmsmcq@w3.org NEW Use of IRIs

Philippe reports: IRI support is not in Java 6. Need to deal with non-ASCII characters
...Issue: What happens when you pass IRI for URI?
... Original issue: Switch from URI to IRI in specification?

Discussion proceeds between Philippe and Bassam regarding size and cost of project to implement IRI.

<MSM> [For what it's worth, http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/net/URI.html describes the java.net.URI class as accepting arbitrary Unicode characters and doing the percent escaping properly in the path]

<MSM> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode

<MSM> Wikipedia make the punycode algorithm seem reassuringly simple to implement as a string-string transform

Bassam: Is this right time for us to do this? Should it be requirement? (Future implementations would have to anticipate future Java implementations.)

<plh> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt

Bassam: Critical concern in SML is the comparison of URIs / IRIs.

Bassam is Checking current implementation of URI creation algorithm for handling non-ASCII escaped character

ACTION; Philippe to Check situation in Java when creating URI whith non-ASCII character.

<johnarwe> ACTION Philippe to Check situation in Java when creating URI whith non-ASCII character.

<johnarwe> ACTION: Philippe to Check situation in Java when creating URI whith non-ASCII character. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-sml-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-105 - Check situation in Java when creating URI whith non-ASCII character. [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2007-07-19].

<Bassam> static void Main(string[] args)

<Bassam> {

<Bassam> Uri uriA = new Uri("http://www.??.com");

<Bassam> Uri uriB = new Uri("http://www.??.com");

<Bassam> bool doesCompare = uriA.Equals(uriB);

<Bassam> }

<Bassam> ?? non-ASCII

Bassam: .NET does seem to compare correctly.

<MSM> Here's an interesting example.

<MSM> If you use www.zürich.com

<MSM> and compare to IDN representation www.xn--zrich-kva.com

<MSM> or to punycode www.zrich.com-0ob

<MSM> or to utf-7 www.z+APw-rich.com

Bassam: If this is what is expected for support of IRI, then no addition is required.

<plh> As an example,

<plh> "http://r&#xE9;sum&#xE9;.example.org" may be considered equivalent to "http://xn--rsum-bpad.example.org".

<Bassam> static void Main(string[] args)

<Bassam> {

<Bassam> Uri uriA = new Uri("www.z�rich.com");

<Bassam> Uri uriB = new Uri("www.xn--zrich-kva.com");

<Bassam> bool doesCompare = uriA.Equals(uriB);

<Bassam> }

<Bassam> static void Main(string[] args)

<Bassam> {

<Bassam> Uri uriA = new Uri("www.z�rich.com");

<Bassam> Uri uriB = new Uri("www.xn--zrich-kva.com");

<Bassam> bool doesCompare = uriA.Equals(uriB);

<Bassam> }

<Bassam> uriA throws an "invalid URI format" exception

<johnarwe> Kirk loses connection to internet, will try and reconnect

definitions, consumers, producers - related to email discussion

<Bassam> Bassam: .NETFX does NOT support IRI in the form of "www.z�rich.com" and "www.xn--zrich-kva.com".

<Jim> Part 1: What is considered an SML consumer?

<Bassam> Bassam: such IRI throw an "invalid URI format" exception

<johnarwe> how much to align with TAG Note http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning

<plh> Bassam, and if you add "http://" ?

<plh> you give a domain name to the Uri class, not a full addresss...

<ginny> I think John's definition of SML consumer as: an "SML consumer" ... is a consumer of 1/more SML documents that processes those document(s) using, in whole or part, semantics defined by SML.

<ginny> is a simple and adequate definition.

Definition of Consumer, Producer, Understand

Ginny: What is point of defining "SML Consumer"?

Issue - In SML-IF there are normative requirements placed on SML consumers and producers (section 3.1)

John: If this is in SML-IF, it does not put requirements on SML.

Jim: Issue is what does it mean to understand a model?

John: XSLT processor consumes SML, but does not treat it as an SML document. It treats the document simply in terms of the XML that it "understands".

Ginny: Agrees with John's definition, but we can't further.

MSM: Also agrees.

General agreement (by silence) of leaving this discussion in SML-IF rather than moving it to SML spec.

Jim: Part two of the issue: Should we comment to the TAG regarding use of terminology?

John: Comment that the "simplified" diagram seems inconsistent; also, the acts of consumption and production don't imply anything about what is understood.

Jim: Feeling is that unless someone feels strongly enough "to carry the torch", let it go.
...John: WG does not feel strongly enough to carry this forward with the TAG.

Meeting Adjourns: 3:56 ET

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Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Philippe to Check situation in Java when creating URI whith non-ASCII character. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/12-sml-minutes.html#action01]
 
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