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<Nick> sorry but I'm currently in another meeting and won't be able to be on time for the call
<Nick> I'll join in about 15-30 minutes
<Roger> Steven, there is an error in the email you sent about the f2f in Madrid
<Steven> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32219/xformssummer07/
<Steven> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34637/ftfsept2007/
<Schnitz> brb
<John_Boyer> Steven, ruff :-)
<Schnitz> back
<John_Boyer> Scribe: lars
<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32219/xformssummer07/
John_Boyer: url for questionnaire is above... everyone, please fill it out
<John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34637/ftfsept2007/
Steven: roger, can you send the
details for the f2f?
... lots of people will be away in august, so would be good to
have the page up early
Roger: rafael will send them along
<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0099.html
John_Boyer: posted list of questions in email
<John_Boyer> Timeblock will be 7:30 - 9:30
John_Boyer: since then I learned that our time slot will be 7:30-9:30
<ebruchez> Roger: are you close from the MAD airport?
<Roger> It depends, 50 Km
<John_Boyer> Sorry, that link should be http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Jun/0108.html
John_Boyer: conference organiter
already replied
... he said we have only two houres because we have to go after
the reception
<ebruchez> Thanks, not that close then ;-)
John_Boyer: otherwise we wouldn't
get enough attendance
... best we can do is 3 talks, 15 minutes each
... then a 30 minute address
... and another 3 talks at 15 minutes
... what do others think?
... or should be focus on fewer longer talks
... or should we dispense of the keynote idea and do 6 20
minute talks
... erik, I think shorter talks are a good idea
errr
erik: I think shorter talks are a
good idea
... depends on the speaker though
Schnitz: I think 20 minutes would
be good to have questions and discussions
... but then we'd need to drop the keynote
... so I'll take this back
John_Boyer: do we want to do a
call for papers
... or shall we just invite people
Steven: lets do that
John_Boyer: conference chair
thought we were proposing session and wanted to know about
session speakers
... so we should get an idea about who the people are going to
be
... should we start with WG members?
... maybe send around an email
Schnitz: when there are more then six volunteers, we should debate who speaks rather than select randomly
John_Boyer: should we do a questionaire?
Steven: email is enough
mark: it might be worth to see
what people are up to that has coherence with what we are
doing
... showing how it runs everywhere
... would underline our point
John_Boyer: variety would be
good
... I'd like to show a runtime, but also would like to show a
design-time
mark: what about short sections
with back-to-back demos
... similar to the lightning talks at xtech
ebruchez: it was hard to do but the audience got a lot out of it
Steven: people at this conference
are going to be big fans, as this is an XML conference
... demonstrations and not being afraid of talking about XML
will be just great
Schnitz: we are trying to have
this "red line" connecting the talks
... when we open this up to www-forms, we might not be able to
maintain that
... which might be a good thing, as it gets more
heterogenous
mark: maybe not be so
restrictive, but maybe just give it a title before we send out
an email
... "XML end to end"
John_Boyer: more like "XForms:
XML end-to-end"
... we can get away with that at an XML conference ;)
Schnitz: that's cool, lets see what people do with that
John_Boyer: public-forms or www-forms
Schnitz: the latter
Steven: two week s would be a
good timeframe
... ask for abstracts
John_Boyer: final question around
keynore
... if (a) there is a keynote
... (b) how do we select the speaker
mark: don't think we need a
keynote and rather keep it light and show a lot of stuff
... keeping it "hands on"
John_Boyer: downside of not
having keynote is that the right keynote speaker would drive up
attendance
... upside is we have more room for talks
mark: who were you thinking of
John_Boyer: I was at XML2006 and was suprised to see the effect Michael Kay had
Schnitz: I think there is some merit in that
ebruchez: john, do you know whether michael kay would talk about xforms at all
Schnitz: Kurt Cagl would also be a great choice in my opinion
John_Boyer: at XML2006, Kay did a lot of XForms stuff in his talk
mark: to get the best of both
world... I would hope that Kurt would do a talk anyway
... John might approach Michael and see how that works out
Schnitz: I would hope that
Michael Kay could also put the topic in a broader context
... CUrt Cagl would have a lot to say about that too
... and a keynote would be a better place for that
... not only technology, but also about the market for XForms
in general
John_Boyer: anyone thinking about participating in that
Schnitz: has it been kicked off yet?
John_Boyer: next step is to get 3 memebers from each WG
Schnitz: I'll join
^w^w^w
;)
John_Boyer: I think our side of the task force should work on xforms simplification
Steven: Roland joined me as co-chair of the XHTML2 WG
nick: I have to do some catching up on the list
John_Boyer: everyone look at your action items and try to pick one off this week
John_Boyer: that's issue
#97
... seems to call for addtion of examples about invalid email
addresses
... this one looks more like anyURI
... can email addresses actually not contain a ':'?
<Nick> yes
John_Boyer: we have a reg-ex for that
Steven: I asked I18N group but haven't heard back yet
John_Boyer: at f2f we discussed something like "any charcter but @" '@' "any charcter but @"
Schnitz: I don't think we should
define that
... we should reference it from some other source
<ebruchez> agreed
Schnitz: ask Martin for
reference
... but we shouldn't define this on our own
<scribe> ACTION: John_Boyer to add example of invalid email address [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-forms-minutes.html#action01]
John_Boyer: next issue is #64
Steven: a good example - or two
John_Boyer: next issue is
#66
... it says we don't say what the range of the random function
is
<Nick> Email Address Internationalization : http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/eai-charter.html
Steven: should be random >= 0 && random < 1
<scribe> ACTION: John_Boyer to fix random function definition [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-forms-minutes.html#action02]
<John_Boyer> ACTION: John_Boyer to add example of valid power() function result, e.g. power(2, 3) returning 8 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/04-forms-minutes.html#action03]
yeah, a bit of context is better
<John_Boyer> :-)
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