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Forms WG Face to Face Meeting, June 15, 2007

15 Jun 2007

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Regrets
Chair
John
Scribe
klotz

Contents


 

 

<scribe> scribenick: klotz

<John_Boyer> scribenick, klotz

<John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz

http://xformstest.org/2007jun15.html

RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=19 , the setfocus, toggle, and setindex actions will run the actions indicated by the deferred-update flags (which will clear the flags) .

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=19 , John Boyer to fix the setfocus, toggle, and setindex actions to run the actions indicated by the deferred-update flags (which will clear the flags). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action01]

http://xformstest.org/20070615.html

<setvalue ref="abc">

<value context="..." value="."/>

</setvalue>

RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Action?id=27 we add the context() function to return the in-scope evaluation context for the element containing the attribute containing the xpath expression.

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<John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007May/0007.html

<Steven> "Full message" bug in issues system is fixed; refresh page

<Steven> Thanks to Shane

RESOLUTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 number 3, delay="" is the default and means synchronous dispathc with no delay; and delay="0" is asynchronous, and delay as a positive integer is a delay as currently specified.

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 John Boyer to handle 16 editorial issues. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action02]

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 number 3, John Boyer to change so that delay="" is the default and means synchronous dispatch with no delay; and delay="0" is asynchronous, and delay as a positive integer is a delay as currently specified. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action03]

<John_Boyer> 28http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007May/0007.html

http://xformstest.org/20070615.html

RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 issue 16 the in-scop evaluation context is determined statically, by the lexical position of the handler definition.
... For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 issue 16 we agree that the in-scope evaluation context is determined statically, by the lexical position of the handler definition, and so the secondModel default submission will be used.

<John_Boyer> 28http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#action-message

RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 issue 19 we decide to mirror message.

<markbirbeck> This is an explanation of xf:insert in terms of *nodesets*: http://www.formsplayer.com/node/339

<markbirbeck> My point is simply that it starts to get confusing when you want to think in terms of DOM manipulation more generally.

<markbirbeck> You lose the idea of nodeset manipulation.

<scribe> ACTION: In #action-insert "Copying an attribute" example John Boyer to remove references to attribute ordering and add explanations to what the examples are doing (insert attribute, copy attribute if exists, etc.). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action04]

http://xformstest.org/20070615.html

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=51 John Boyer and Uli Liss&eacute; to create new descriptive example tables for insert and delete using one set of instance data. In general, nodeset is used when you want to pick one of the children of a node and insert before or after that node, and context is used when you want to append or prepend a child inside a node. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action05]

http://xformstest.org/20070615.html

<scribe> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to write up example of using group to implement modal dialogs that are stylable by CSS and don't use OS windows. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action06]

RESOLUTION: We remove the prompt action from XForms 1.1.

<scribe> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to write document about using parallel action/*[@if] and toggle/case to implement state machine. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action07]

RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=74 we accept and remove prompt.

<scribe> ACTION: John Boyer to remove prompt. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action08]

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5: 00 local time

<wellsk> Are the dates for this year (and next) linked in to the public page? http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

<markbirbeck> thanks Leigh

<markbirbeck> HTML calendar in Google: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/is1t7cbu00vvd5h1ioft1nl19k%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics

<markbirbeck> XForms WG calendar in Google: http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/42pvpv3126jgbjccip85b7hiuk%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics

<markbirbeck> You can embed this in the wiki if you like: :)

<markbirbeck> <iframe src="http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=42pvpv3126jgbjccip85b7hiuk%40group.calendar.google.com&amp;title=XForms%20WG%20Calendar&amp;epr=1&amp;height=614" style=" border-width:0 " width="320" frameborder="0" height="614"></iframe>

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=84 , John Boyer to change referenced sections. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action09]

RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Appendices?id=128 we accept.

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Appendices?id=128 we accept, John Boyer. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action10]

<Charlie> *ping

RESOLUTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=72 part 1 we accept that the wording for display:inline should be changed.

<scribe> ACTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=72 John Boyer to change the wording output so that display:inline should be changed. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action11]

RESOLUTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=72 part 2 so that there are implementation requirements for MIPs.

<scribe> ACTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=72 Steven Pemberton to change the spec so that there are implementation requirements for MIPs. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action12]

RESOLUTION: We accept http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=73 with modifications; we add a value attribute to output/mediatype.

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=73 with modifications; Steven Pemberton to write spec text to add a value attribute to output/mediatype. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action13]

<John_Boyer> Form controls must render upon request an explanation of the current state of a form control, including validity and associated model item properties. Control of this behavior should be made available to stylesheets.

markbirbeck

<John_Boyer> Form controls must provide a default explanation for the above when no user-specified explanation is available.

<Steven> There is a draft FtF page up for Madrid at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FtF_2007_09

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=117 John Boyer to handle all except #27 as editorial and compose reply to issue. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action14]

RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=117 #27 we remove the two referenced bullet points about "explanation."

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=117 #27 John Boyer to remove two bullet points about "explanation" in http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#ui-processing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action15]

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<wellsk> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#ui-processing

RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=18 we accept with modifications; instead of the half-detached behavior we propose a parallel event context value listing parents of deleted nodes, with positional correspondence.

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=18 John Boyer to write text to add we propose context property to xforms-delete listing parents of deleted nodes, with positional correspondence and close issue. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action16]

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=59 John Boyer to move 4.4.20 and 4.4.21 to move to 4.5. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action17]

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=60 John Boyer to provide proposed new wording. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action18]

RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=60 we accept and will re-word.

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=61 John Boyer to add text based on text in model and close issue. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action19]

RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=95 we agree and have done it.

<Steven> wellsk, this is for you: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/phone_meetings

<wellsk> hx

<wellsk> thx

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=115 all except #15 John Boyer to make changes. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action20]

RESOLUTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=115 We put src back on instance.

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=115 John Boyer to put back in src on instance with fallback to inline data. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action21]

<raman> just dropping by to say Hello before the F2F winds up.

<Steven> ha!

RESOLUTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=82 we agree to study John Boyer's proposal binding to text instead of first text node but not implement it at this point.
... We defer http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=99
... We approve http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=100

<scribe> ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=100 John Boyer to fix reference. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action22]

markbirbeck sorry steven turned off his laptop.

<markbirbeck> I'm reviewing the fanfare for Steven.

<John_Boyer> We're pretty much done now.

<markbirbeck> great.

<markbirbeck> have good journeys home everyone

<Charlie> bye mark

thank you mark

<markbirbeck> a useful meeting, I thought.

<markbirbeck> Luckily Raman stayed away. ;)

http://xformstest.org/20070615.html

<markbirbeck> See you guys soon.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=19 , John Boyer to fix the setfocus, toggle, and setindex actions to run the actions indicated by the deferred-update flags (which will clear the flags). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 John Boyer to handle 16 editorial issues. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=47 number 3, John Boyer to change so that delay="" is the default and means synchronous dispatch with no delay; and delay="0" is asynchronous, and delay as a positive integer is a delay as currently specified. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=51 John Boyer and Uli Liss&eacute; to create new descriptive example tables for insert and delete using one set of instance data. In general, nodeset is used when you want to pick one of the children of a node and insert before or after that node, and context is used when you want to append or prepend a child inside a node. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Actions?id=84 , John Boyer to change referenced sections. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Appendices?id=128 we accept, John Boyer. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=117 #27 John Boyer to remove two bullet points about "explanation" in http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#ui-processing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=117 John Boyer to handle all except #27 as editorial and compose reply to issue. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=73 with modifications; Steven Pemberton to write spec text to add a value attribute to output/mediatype. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=115 all except #15 John Boyer to make changes. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action20]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=115 John Boyer to put back in src on instance with fallback to inline data. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action21]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=18 John Boyer to write text to add we propose context property to xforms-delete listing parents of deleted nodes, with positional correspondence and close issue. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=59 John Boyer to move 4.4.20 and 4.4.21 to move to 4.5. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=60 John Boyer to provide proposed new wording. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action18]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Events?id=61 John Boyer to add text based on text in model and close issue. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action19]
[NEW] ACTION: For http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/MIPs?id=100 John Boyer to fix reference. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action22]
[NEW] ACTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=72 John Boyer to change the wording output so that display:inline should be changed. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=72 Steven Pemberton to change the spec so that there are implementation requirements for MIPs. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: In #action-insert "Copying an attribute" example John Boyer to remove references to attribute ordering and add explanations to what the examples are doing (insert attribute, copy attribute if exists, etc.). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: John Boyer to remove prompt. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven Pemberton to write document about using parallel action/*[@if] and toggle/case to implement state machine. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven Pemberton to write up example of using group to implement modal dialogs that are stylable by CSS and don't use OS windows. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/15-forms-minutes.html#action06]
 
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