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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/att-0104/2007-05-30-grddl-wg-minutes.html minutes 30 May
RESOLUTION: to approve minutes 30 May
<jjc> minutes proposed and approved
<jjc> regrets Harry, Simone, Danny John
PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 13 June 11:00-0400. scribe volunteer?
<jjc> scribe for next week: Chime
<jjc> scibe: jjc
* ACTION: chimezie update test spec to indicate approval for #embedded-rdf4 [DONE]
* ACTION: chime to update test editors draft with #error1 [DONE]
<scribe> ACTION: chimezie update test spec to indicate approval for #embedded-rdf4 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: chime to update test editors draft with #error1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to e-mail Dave Beckett with not a bug in the spec, but maybe in some stylesheets [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
<Zakim> FabienG, you wanted to propose to invite David Booth to our telecon as external expert.
<jjc> discussion of Fabien's suggestion
<jjc> Fabien reports that Murray spoke with David, but it seems to have been unproductive
inconclusive, rather
<jjc> the chair is inclined not to invite David this week, open for next week
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Chime to respond to David on issue-dbooth-9a: GRDDL should be usable in a messaging pipeline [WITHDRAWN] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to write text about base-uri, which may become normative. [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
<jjc> ACTION: jjc to respond to DBooth with text in agenda and with reference to base-uri document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
<jjc> Chime: asks what does a postponed issue mean?
<jjc> DanC: it means we haven't solved it, but we can meet our requirements without solving it
<jjc> Dan asks for advice to the chair about reopening the issue faithful infoset?
<jjc> reopen/reopen+postpone/reopen+postpone/reopen+postpone/concur+postpone/postpone
<jjc> DanC reopens the issue #faithful-infoset
<jjc> David has just e-mailed list
<jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0037
http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-faithful-infoset
<chimezie> I'd like to go on record as saying that I *don't* think it is an issue, but the risk on our schedule is substantial if we don't raise/postpone
<jjc> chime that can be expressed as a concur in the formal vote
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Dec/0004.html Re: First draft of agenda for f2f (xmlFunctions-34 , RDFinXHTML-35, GRDDL, and XInclude)
PROPOSED: whereas TAG issue
xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the XProc WG is still working
on its "default processing" task, noting @@relevant tests and
MM's health-warning, to postpone issue #faithful-infoset
... whereas TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the
XProc WG is still working on its "default processing" task,
noting @@relevant tests and the health-warning about default
attributes, XInclude etc. in section 6 GRDDL Transformations,
to postpone issue #faithful-infoset
<chimezie> ACTION: chime, to advise XProc WG on how (specifically) XInclude can be properly deferred to XProc by passing on the XML document (not the infoset or XPath DM) to the transformation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
<jjc> tests: #xinclude and #noxinclude
PROPOSED: whereas TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the XProc WG is still working on its "default processing" task, noting tests #xinclude and #noxinclude and the health-warning about default attributes, XInclude etc. in section 6 GRDDL Transformations, to postpone issue #faithful-infoset
<jjc> jeremy seconds
<jjc> discussion about xmlFunctions-34
<iand> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#xmlFunctions-34
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#xmlFunctions-34
<jjc> Dan anyone want to discuss xmlFunctions-34?
RESOLUTION: whereas TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 is still open and the XProc WG is still working on its "default processing" task, noting tests #xinclude and #noxinclude and the health-warning about default attributes, XInclude etc. in section 6 GRDDL Transformations, to postpone issue #faithful-infoset
<jjc> Chime: concurs
<jjc> Fabien: concurs
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0078.html issue-dbooth-3: Ambiguity in an XML document's intended GRDDL results
<jjc> we could decide to respond without further discussion, or to try and frame our response in terms of his words
<jjc> Murray indicates that there were framing difficulties
<chimezie> During the conversation with D.Booth, he seemed amenable to a solution (which would not be GRDDL) where the transformation is passed the representation (Pre-infoset/XPath DM) to the transformation instead of the XPath DM
<chimezie> this is the only way the XProc solution would even be relevant
it's noted that the comment is outstanding
<jjc> To use a GRDDL aware agent in a processing pipeline, as well as the XPath node N, it is also necessary to specify a corresponding IRI I. This is used as the base IRI when the other mechanisms do not apply. This corresponds to section 5.1.4 of RFC 3986. It is even possible for the default IRI used to bear no relationship with the XPath node N, but in such a case, we read:
<jjc> As this definition is necessarily application-dependent, failing to define a base URI by using one of the other methods may result in the same content being interpreted differently by different types of applications.
<jjc> A sender of a representation containing relative references is responsible for ensuring that a base URI for those references can be established.
<jjc> [that's text from the current version of the base doc]
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<chimezie> that addresses the pipeline scenario, as far as I'm concerned
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007May/0054 review of namespace doc
<jjc> consideration of I as per booth's comment - it looks like a correct comment
<jjc> the base-URI of the node N is used, but I itself is not
"The namespace document includes RDF data about the terms in the GRDDL Vocabulary, but these RDF data do not include any triples whose predicate is grddl:profileTransformation."
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to incorporate 0054 comments into namespace doc. (consider notifying Dave Beckett) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
jclark4 1.14 Tue May 29 13:48:32 2007 UTC
<rreck> i have to go tech problems
<jjc> discussion of table:
<jjc> jeremy suggests grouping the related tests together so that the n/a's are clearly explicable
<scribe> ACTION: HH to ask Dom to check his XSLT against current GRDDL tests [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
HH made some progress
<chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#xinclude
<chimezie> labels: xml,merge
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to review test coverage results via tabulator [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]
<jjc> ACTION: jjc review appendix A of test editors draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12]
<scribe> ACTION: chimezie to start an index of tests by normative assertion (proxy for feature). [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13]
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to clarify to discussion participants on RDFa that it is not formal comments [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14]
<scribe> ACTION: HarryH to start an index of tests by issue [WITHDRAWN] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15]
<scribe> ACTION: john to produce new EARL output including #error1 [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action16]
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to produce new EARL output including #error1 [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action17]
<scribe> ACTION: john to update result page [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action18]
<scribe> ACTION: jeremy to email back to the XSL/XQuery working group re error handling [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action19]
<jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0014
<jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0075.html
<jjc> both these messages promise new primer text.
<jjc> discussion that Harry should be co-editor of primer (DanC, jjc)
<jjc> ACTION: jjc to clarify who expects what in primer from comments list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action20]
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to review primer [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action21]
<scribe> ACTION: danja to review primer [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action22]
<scribe> ACTION: john-l to draft an Excel spreadsheet primer section [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action23]
some sentiment for making a WG decicion to go to PR in 3 weeks
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