<BillBug> Are we on HCLS or BioRDF for the call?

eneumann: Alan did an amazing job at Banff

<BillBug> ZAKIM info - http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html

alan ruttenberg: still remaining data sources to add, ISMB poster to do, in July, there is interest in perl.org for URL standardization, might be good to write up, calls out to NCBO and Amith, cuz we have the machine about 2 weeks before we have to give back to HP, anyone else who can provide a host would be great, server at Science Commons is a dev environment, over next few months, this is a basis for ongoing work at Science Commons, there is a list of kno

Billbug: consider adding monoclonal information

alan ruttenberg: if people have ontologies they want to load and play with, please send me a note, over the next weeks, I'm still recovering from being in demo mode, so won't be a lot of activity

eneumann: the word is out, people are interested, we need to put together a web page that simplifies the user experience, let's put a small set of front ends to the SPARQL engine,

alan ruttenberg: also things that can be done with Virtuoso interfaces, it might be worth getting Kingsly to do a demo for us, they have RDF browser, etc, to show us prebuilt interfaces

ACTION eneumann will contact Kingsley to arrange demo

Alan Ruttenberg: Mattias will be presenter for ISMB

BillBug: I'm curious to know, if people have chunks of OWL,, you'll load it, how does that relate to all the OWL artifacts that Chris Mungle has, etc.

Alan Ruttenberg: some are already loaded, we can load arbitrary OWL, yes, but links will be less straightforward.

BillBug: can we systematically load some resources, ACTION ITEM Bill will collect list of URLs, send to Alan Rutttenberg so Alan can load

<vipul> +1 to what Tonya is saying

<vipul> It's a whole bureacratic process

<vipul> Has to be outside the firewall

<vipul> AD privileges need to be set

Allan: Apple or Partners machines?

<vipul> Approval process for this can be complicated

<BillBug> re: Apple machines - can the software run on Darwin OS

ACTION ITEMS BIll will look at APPLE, Tonya will inquire at Partners

<BillBug> Alan: yes

<BillBug> Question: What are the hardware requirements - specifically RAM & HD storage requirements

<BillBug> I would look to get loans (long term) for an XServe or two (dual or quad Intel CoreDuo)

Action ITEMS Tonya will also inquire with Ray about continuing the HP relationship

Allan Ruttenberg - Hardware 2 discs, 10gb of RAM, 150 gb drive

ACTION ITEM - please send Tonya updated list of demo sites

<BillBug> Alan: hardware requirements (corrections) - 4 - 8 GB RAM; 2 HDs - 10 - 15k rpm, 150 GB+, SATA

Tonya: we need a 2 tier strategy, 1 is to continue for the demo, 2nd is to create sustainable environment for future scope
... should we stabilize at HP or elsewhere

Allan Ruttenberg: eric, you mention you are writing an article, how do we ensure articles are appropriately attributed

eneumann: it's my column in this case, will mention the participants
... should we write an article on the demo?

billbug: absolutely

<scribe> ACTION: BillBUG will start a googledoc draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/24-hcls-minutes.html#action01]

<eneumann> ACTION: BIll will look at APPLE, Tonya will inquire at Partners [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/24-hcls-minutes.html#action02]

<eneumann> ACTION: Alan please send Tonya updated list of demo sites [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/24-hcls-minutes.html#action03]

eneumann: BANFF workshop well attended, 60 people, with panel discussion, it was fun

Vipul: conclusion at panel, it's ready for use but more work to be done

eneumann: we need to show accumulation of knowledge over time, hope to show at next gathering these kinds of these things, not just working with packages of data, but also networks of people
... we need to pursue metadata contracts on the nature of the data, what must stay constant, also who owns the URIs for NCBI? who owns the Entrez Gene record? We need to focus on this for future calls

BillBug: there is a groundswell from the OBO side of things

eneumann: Each of the working groups needs to finish writing up what they have learned by November, BioRDF can write up the demo, BioOnt, Vipul?

Vipul: we can write a report on what we learned about all these ontology development projects, how do we incorporate uncertainty into ontologies, we'll kickstart a task on collaborating with Stan Huff on clinical models that span EMR and Clinical Trials for observation capture

<scribe> ACTION: Eneumann will report on the clinical trials workshop [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/24-hcls-minutes.html#action04]

eneumann: clinical trials workshop, complex individuals, lots of conflict,

<eneumann> http://www.bioontology.org/wiki/index.php/Meetings_and_Events

vipul: Partners has kicked off information modeling project for clinical observations

eneumann: we could say that HCLS adopts NCBO's definition of ontology

vipul: we could enumerate the various definitions in our write up

<eneumann> http://www.bioontology.org/wiki/index.php/Workshop_on_Clinical_Trial_Ontology

<eneumann> NIST Onto workshop http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007

eneumann: we'll devote a chunk of time to learning from the demo and how that reflects on the state of the ontologies

matthias: I'll will also participate

<vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/UncertaintyUseCases

Vipul: I've posted an Uncertainty Use Case for comment, it is proposed to create an ontology of uncertainty

eneumann: had lunch with Ken Lasky, uncertainty is very different in surveillance, we need to be clear about what we mean, there are different use cases in life sciences from the engineering world, capturing the use cases will be important, what are the patterns and constraints to uncertainty,
... if we do a questionairre, why do we need this information

matthias: does this have PR role vis a vis the skeptics, to elicit information on what people are doing in this space

we should be able to aggregate information about successes and shortcomings

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