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<raphael> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 29-03-2007, 16:00 UTC
<raphael> Scribe: Zeljko
<JeffP> Hi Raphael
<chrisa_stamatia> yes, we are together in Chania, working on the deliverable
<JeffP> Hi guys
<chrisa_stamatia> hi all!
<JeffP> I mean "Hi ladies"
<chrisa_stamatia> yeap!
<chrisa_stamatia> we have some concerns on the schedule, it is a bit tight given the Eastern...
<ocelma> raphael: i did the call via the Spanish dial-in number, but not sure whether it worked (lots of music, but still waiting...)
<ocelma> ok
<scribe> Scribe: Zeljko
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 15th March 2007 telecon
RESOLUTION:
accepted the minutes of the 15th March 2007
telecon
... Next telecon scheduled: 13th April 2007
Vocabularies page
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review by next telecon [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
<raphael> Tools page
<raphael> Comments from Raphael: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0062.html
Linking tools page and use cases
<raphael> The minutes of 15/03/07: http://www.w3.org/2007/03/15-mmsem-minutes.html
Links from Use Case pages to Tools pages, but not necessarily other way round
<scribe> ACTION: Zeljko to rise discussion on links between tool and use cases pages [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
Additions to tools page
Problems with classifications of tools
Video terms too resctrictive?
Most of video tools also do the other media
Separate mark for multiple media types
"Multimodal" as an alternative?
Raphael: add text in categories
<scribe> ACTION: Zeljko to rephrase the introduction to tools classifications [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
Zeljko: Tools page has also linked from other wiki pages, and vice versa
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to ask W3C what will happen with wiki after the end of XG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
<SusanneBoll> I would also support for keeping the mailing list and Wiki pages active
Jeff: related to extension of XG
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style (XG report) [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael to write to the list email with acceptance for publication [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
4.1 Structure (Vassilis, Jeff)
Jeff: fixed minor
comments...
... table of content is now restricted to only two
levels...
... moving all the references to end of the document...
... minor but time consuming...
... discuss the use of RDF to improve interoperability...
<SusanneBoll> unmute
SusanneBoll: the problem with RDF
is that it cannot access the fraction of the resource...
... rectangle with image, for example...
... reply sent to the list...
Raphael: well known issue,
several possibilities...
... XML snippet, that define the anchor, and annotation
describe that anchor...
... defines how you define the region, MPEG-7 offers more
detailed way...
SusanneBoll: solution, but complicated
<Chris_Erik_Gaetan> DIG35 also has some MPEG-7 like solution for this
Raphael: write to the list concrete problem, to get response about how to od the annotation
SussaneBoll: is there any group/paper about this issues?
Raphael: "Obscure Object of Desire: Metadata on the Web"
Jeff: problem is not about
RDF...
... we need to have some other means to identify
regions...
... meeting with Vasilis...
... section 3.3 of interoperability deliverable...
... discussion about the patterns that we can find in the photo
use case...
... relation with algorithm use case...
... different interoperability requirements of use
cases...
... additional ontologies needed...
... news use case - interesting illustrations of
interoperability problems, but no solutions written in the
Wiki...
... writte all the solutions, and come with common patterns
among use cases...
... add more concrete examples that illustrate both the problem
and solution...
Raphael: time scale about filling sections
Jeff: basically ready, interdependency of sections...
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
ID3 to OWL conversion
Oscar: interesting discussion in
the list...
... implementation between ID3 and music ontology
... common ideas as there, should not be difficult to implement
mapping...
... finish coding, update the Wiki pages...
Raphael: do not focus on size of
Wiki pages...
... short and focused is goed...
Giovanni: happy to participate and work with Oscar
<raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
<scribe> ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the music use case, defining how to generate play lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
Giovanni: relation with
implementation and output of XG (use case description)?
... actual implementation, or plans, descriptions...
Raphale: XG report text, but can link implementation of systems...
<raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical music PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
Raphael: modified the
wiki...
... late, agressive time plan to finish the use case in a
week...
... focussing the porblems, not clear before...
... updating examples in wiki pages...
... solutions are there, documenting them...
<Chris_Erik_Gaetan> +q
<Chris_Erik_Gaetan> unmute me
Chris: 4 thing to say...
... 1. progress from 50% to 85%, done by next teleconf...
<sboll> wow
Chris: concrete examples...
<raphael> wowwwwwwww BIS :-)
Chris: 2. to more examples
... 3. licencing issues...
... eager that we use it, but for management commitee they need
written request from W3C...
... but it is gonna be OK...
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Erik to ask written W3C about formal written request [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
<sboll> unmute me
Raphael: report to the list
SusanneBoll: interesting to look
at this new standard
... should we use it more?
Erik: XMP, look into it, did not
do it yet...
... after current work...
SusanneBoll: is standard solving many efforts, or is it still open issue
Chris: ontology on the top of
that to combine standards...
... generate one ontology to combine metadata standards...
Raphael: design an old sschema,
is it available?
... how to do the tranformations?
Schema is almost done, on th eweb site until next teleconf...
scribe: not automatic translation...
<raphael> ACTION: Erik to send the URL of the DIG35 OWL Schema by the next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
scribe: develop a simple example, and transfer it into RDF...
Thomas: will be two meetings
about that in April...
...
... in two weeks...
... discuss possible implementations, but not bring
implementation...
... more frequent meeting after...
... post outcome of the meetings...
Jeff: send the comments to the
mailing list...
... pattern not the same for this UC...
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation UC [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
Massimo: waiting review...
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to finish a review in one week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
Second part of the UC could be dropped?...
Raphael: started discussions,
established very aggressive work plant ot get documents
quickly...
... keep updated the list about the progress...
Jeff: Future of the XG
<raphael> ... discussion on the list about a possible workshop
Jeff: chairs to check the
possibilities of extending XG to get the job done...
... also related to the workshop...
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
Erik: other want to work with us, also big companies...
<sboll> happy easter everybody
<giovannit> see you everybody :-)
<ThomasFranz> bye
<chrisa_stamatia> bye!
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