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W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 29-03-2007, 16:00 UTC

29 Mar 2007

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Thomas_Franz, Raphael, Zeljko, Jeff_Pan, Suzanne_Massimo, Chris_Erik_Gaetan, Oscar, SusanneBoll, giovannit
Regrets
Tobias, Vassilis, Roberto, Chris, Sofia, Pasquale, Ioannis, Melli, Michael
Chair
Jeff, Raphael
Scribe
Zeljko

Contents


 

 

<raphael> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 29-03-2007, 16:00 UTC

<raphael> Scribe: Zeljko

<JeffP> Hi Raphael

<chrisa_stamatia> yes, we are together in Chania, working on the deliverable

<JeffP> Hi guys

<chrisa_stamatia> hi all!

<JeffP> I mean "Hi ladies"

<chrisa_stamatia> yeap!

<chrisa_stamatia> we have some concerns on the schedule, it is a bit tight given the Eastern...

<ocelma> raphael: i did the call via the Spanish dial-in number, but not sure whether it worked (lots of music, but still waiting...)

<ocelma> ok

<scribe> Scribe: Zeljko

1. ADMIN

PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 15th March 2007 telecon

RESOLUTION: accepted the minutes of the 15th March 2007 telecon
... Next telecon scheduled: 13th April 2007

2. LINKS Pages

Vocabularies page

<scribe> ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review by next telecon [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]

<raphael> Tools page

<raphael> Comments from Raphael: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0062.html

Linking tools page and use cases

<raphael> The minutes of 15/03/07: http://www.w3.org/2007/03/15-mmsem-minutes.html

Links from Use Case pages to Tools pages, but not necessarily other way round

<scribe> ACTION: Zeljko to rise discussion on links between tool and use cases pages [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]

Additions to tools page

Problems with classifications of tools

Video terms too resctrictive?

Most of video tools also do the other media

Separate mark for multiple media types

"Multimodal" as an alternative?

Raphael: add text in categories

<scribe> ACTION: Zeljko to rephrase the introduction to tools classifications [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]

Zeljko: Tools page has also linked from other wiki pages, and vice versa

<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to ask W3C what will happen with wiki after the end of XG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]

<SusanneBoll> I would also support for keeping the mailing list and Wiki pages active

Jeff: related to extension of XG

3. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable

<scribe> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style (XG report) [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]

<scribe> ACTION: Raphael to write to the list email with acceptance for publication [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]

4. Interoperability Deliverable

4.1 Structure (Vassilis, Jeff)

Jeff: fixed minor comments...
... table of content is now restricted to only two levels...
... moving all the references to end of the document...
... minor but time consuming...
... discuss the use of RDF to improve interoperability...

<SusanneBoll> unmute

SusanneBoll: the problem with RDF is that it cannot access the fraction of the resource...
... rectangle with image, for example...
... reply sent to the list...

Raphael: well known issue, several possibilities...
... XML snippet, that define the anchor, and annotation describe that anchor...
... defines how you define the region, MPEG-7 offers more detailed way...

SusanneBoll: solution, but complicated

<Chris_Erik_Gaetan> DIG35 also has some MPEG-7 like solution for this

Raphael: write to the list concrete problem, to get response about how to od the annotation

SussaneBoll: is there any group/paper about this issues?

Raphael: "Obscure Object of Desire: Metadata on the Web"

Jeff: problem is not about RDF...
... we need to have some other means to identify regions...
... meeting with Vasilis...
... section 3.3 of interoperability deliverable...
... discussion about the patterns that we can find in the photo use case...
... relation with algorithm use case...
... different interoperability requirements of use cases...
... additional ontologies needed...
... news use case - interesting illustrations of interoperability problems, but no solutions written in the Wiki...
... writte all the solutions, and come with common patterns among use cases...
... add more concrete examples that illustrate both the problem and solution...

Raphael: time scale about filling sections

Jeff: basically ready, interdependency of sections...

<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]

4.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)

ID3 to OWL conversion

Oscar: interesting discussion in the list...
... implementation between ID3 and music ontology
... common ideas as there, should not be difficult to implement mapping...
... finish coding, update the Wiki pages...

Raphael: do not focus on size of Wiki pages...
... short and focused is goed...

Giovanni: happy to participate and work with Oscar

<raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]

<scribe> ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the music use case, defining how to generate play lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]

Giovanni: relation with implementation and output of XG (use case description)?
... actual implementation, or plans, descriptions...

Raphale: XG report text, but can link implementation of systems...

<raphael> ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical music PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]

4.3 News Use case: (Thierry, Chris, Raphael)

Raphael: modified the wiki...
... late, agressive time plan to finish the use case in a week...
... focussing the porblems, not clear before...
... updating examples in wiki pages...
... solutions are there, documenting them...

<Chris_Erik_Gaetan> +q

4.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik Mannens)

<Chris_Erik_Gaetan> unmute me

Chris: 4 thing to say...
... 1. progress from 50% to 85%, done by next teleconf...

<sboll> wow

Chris: concrete examples...

<raphael> wowwwwwwww BIS :-)

Chris: 2. to more examples
... 3. licencing issues...
... eager that we use it, but for management commitee they need written request from W3C...
... but it is gonna be OK...

<scribe> ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Erik to ask written W3C about formal written request [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]

<sboll> unmute me

Raphael: report to the list

SusanneBoll: interesting to look at this new standard
... should we use it more?

Erik: XMP, look into it, did not do it yet...
... after current work...

SusanneBoll: is standard solving many efforts, or is it still open issue

Chris: ontology on the top of that to combine standards...
... generate one ontology to combine metadata standards...

Raphael: design an old sschema, is it available?
... how to do the tranformations?

Schema is almost done, on th eweb site until next teleconf...

scribe: not automatic translation...

<raphael> ACTION: Erik to send the URL of the DIG35 OWL Schema by the next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]

scribe: develop a simple example, and transfer it into RDF...

4.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael)

Thomas: will be two meetings about that in April...
...
... in two weeks...
... discuss possible implementations, but not bring implementation...
... more frequent meeting after...
... post outcome of the meetings...

4.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Suzanne, Patrizia, Ovidio)

Jeff: send the comments to the mailing list...
... pattern not the same for this UC...

<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation UC [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]

<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]

Massimo: waiting review...

<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to finish a review in one week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]

4.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis, Sofia)

Second part of the UC could be dropped?...

5. MPEG-7 Deliverable (10')

Raphael: started discussions, established very aggressive work plant ot get documents quickly...
... keep updated the list about the progress...

6. AOB

Jeff: Future of the XG

<raphael> ... discussion on the list about a possible workshop

Jeff: chairs to check the possibilities of extending XG to get the job done...
... also related to the workshop...

<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]

Erik: other want to work with us, also big companies...

<sboll> happy easter everybody

<giovannit> see you everybody :-)

<ThomasFranz> bye

<chrisa_stamatia> bye!

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Erik to send the URL of the DIG35 OWL Schema by the next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Giovanni to explain in more detail parts of the music use case, defining how to generate play lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to ask W3C what will happen with wiki after the end of XG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Raphael to contact W3C about extending XG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Vasilis to fill 3.1 and 3.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to finish a review in one week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff, Raphael and Erik to ask written W3C about formal written request [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Raphael to write to the list email with acceptance for publication [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Zeljko to rephrase the introduction to tools classifications [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Zeljko to rise discussion on links between tool and use cases pages [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation UC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review by next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Oscar to update a possible scenario with classical music [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style (XG report) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/29-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
 
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New list: Thomas_Franz Raphael Zeljko Jeff_Pan Suzanne_Massimo Chris_Erik_Gaetan Oscar SusanneBoll giovannit

Default Present: Thomas_Franz, Raphael, Zeljko, Jeff_Pan, Suzanne_Massimo, Chris_Erik_Gaetan, Oscar, SusanneBoll, giovannit
Present: Thomas_Franz Raphael Zeljko Jeff_Pan Suzanne_Massimo Chris_Erik_Gaetan Oscar SusanneBoll giovannit
Regrets: Tobias Vassilis Roberto Chris Sofia Pasquale Ioannis Melli Michael
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Mar/0063.html
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