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<sandro> Attendees: Sandro, Francois, Deborah, Harold, MikeDean, Igor, Hassan, Alex, DavidHirtle, DaveReynolds, ChrisW
<sandro> +JosDB
<ChrisW> scribenick: MikeDean
<ChrisW> Scribe: Mike Dean
<mdean> has someone imported the agenda?
<sandro> (number of callers - 13)
<ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/att-0066/20-rif-minutes.html
<mdean> RESOLVED: minutes accepted
<sandro> Allen, are you on the call?
<mdean> no agenda amendments
<Allen> yes
<sandro> +Allen
<mdean> regular telecon next week - Zakim should be back
<sandro> all telecon slots accounted for.
<sandro> (ie attendee list is accurate)
<Hassan> June 2 and 3
<mdean> F2F6 in Innsbruck June 2-3
<mdean> meeting will be at university
<mdean> Jos: will need count a couple weeks before
<mdean> action 267 complete
<mdean> email from Paul on PRR - spec delayed
<mdean> no other liaison news
<mdean> agenda items 2 and 3 reversed
<sandro> scribenick: mdean
action review
action 266 complete by Deborah
action 269 completed
by harold
action 270 complete by harold
action 273 complete by mkifer
<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/core/draft-20070323.html
Working Draft - frozen March 23 version
josb: possible confusion over
general framework vs. RIF Core dialect - not yet
introduced
... suggest changing intro text
<AxelPolleres> sorry
<Hassan> It shouldn't
josb: doesn't present dialect itself
ChrisW: should RIF Core be a dialect?
mkifer: document presents more
than RIF Core, but much less than a dialect
... may confuse some readers
ChrisW: how important is this?
josb: might lead to a lot of confusion
<sandro> scribenick: mdean
Harold: represents first draft of dialect?
josb: no - doesn't say what dialect is
ChrisW: maybe OK for first draft - elicit this type of feedback
<AlexKozlenkov> Why does it not represent the first draft of the RIF Core dialect?
mkifer: suggest jos send updated paragraphs
ChrisW: not for this Working
Draft - too late
... today approve for public release based on authors
completing the actions agreed to at F2F5
... WD release process isn't instantaneous
... updated paragraphs available now?
josb: will send to list now
ChrisW: any other comments
<josb> My phrasing suggestions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/0125.html
Deborah: semantics of
multi-worded RIF conditions, type is used where signature or
word would be expected - confusing
... will send email
mkifer: small comments from Alex
<Hassan> I received them as well Alex
Alex: just sent to Harold?
thanks for correction
mkifer: issue (exists) sent to list
Alex: issue should be addressed in future Working Draft
<Harold> Alex sent:
<Harold> In 2.1.3.1, about the text “only to function terms that belong”. I do not fully understand that. ?v can be bound not necessarily to function terms but also primitive constants.
<Harold> In 2.1.3.3, I_F definition, it says I_F(d_1,…,d_k). This should read I_F(f)(d_1,…,d_k), otherwise I do not get it.
<Harold> Also the introduction says that the focus of WD1 is the condition language (not rules?). Is that so?
no other fixes/edits
<josb> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/0125.html
sandro: current draft does not specify RIF Core? it just lays groundwork?
josb: yes
<Hassan> I second Jos's rewording -hak
taking a minute for everyone to read Jos's message
mkifer: never says that RIF Core is a rule language
<AlexKozlenkov> it looks like the overview is a bit of touch really
ChrisW: does seem like an omission
<Deborah_Nichols> +1 to what Michael says wrt RIF being a 'format' but not rule language
sandro: potentially contentious
<DaveReynolds> The Overview does say "A dialect is a rule language ..."
ChrisW: abstract seems OK
discussion of Jos's message
<Hassan> As an interchange language, readers will expect as least onefull worked out *exchange* between tworeal-life rule languages... (say, Edinburgh Prolog and Colmerauer's Prolog III)
Harold: which will be presented in next version?
<josb> I'm fine with that
Harold: perhaps will be developed
in future Working Drafts instead
... we do have a kind of draft of Core
Sandro: Jos's wording too dismissive of current draft
<Harold> The current document is a first draft of the RIF framework, sufficient
<Harold> for the specification of RIF Core, which will be presented in the next
<Harold> version of this document.
ChrisW: keep document as is
... architecture document should help clarify
... don't see this as a killer - but would like feedback from
community
... accept typo fixes from Deborah and Alex
... straw poll on publishing current version as first Working
Draft
... any anticipated objections?
none
Agfa: not present
Betfair: yes
Corticon absent
DERI Galway absent
DERI Galway (Axel): yes
DERI Innsbruck: yes
Sandro recording - will send email later
<Hassan> ILOG votes YES for publication of the WD1 (hak representing)
<IgorMozetic> JSI vote: yes
<AlexKozlenkov> JBoss voted yes (communicated by Mark Proctor)
<AlexKozlenkov> JBoss voted remotely, they can send an e-mail confirmation if required
RESOLUTION: first Working Draft published
ChrisW: thanks to editors - real accomplishment
<sandro> Passed 15 YES, 0 Abstain, 0 No.
<ircleuser> :-)
ChrisW: finish meeting with
action review - continue issue discussion next week
... new issues: URIs in text (via email), overlapping
domains
action 271 - discussion in email - misunderstanding - complete
action 266 complete
no other actions
action review
UCR waiting for review?
Allen: correct
sandro: image alt text
email?
... alt doesn't necessarily have to be complete
<scribe> ACTION: Allen to add alt text for UCR [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-rif-minutes.html#action01]
<rifbot> Created ACTION-274 - Add alt text for UCR [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2007-04-03].
<sandro> (not so much "complete" as "lengthy")
RIFRAF actions to be discussed in 2 weeks
adjourned
<Allen> bye
<AlexKozlenkov> Thank you the editors and all
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