<sandro> Attendees: Sandro, Francois, Deborah, Harold, MikeDean, Igor, Hassan, Alex, DavidHirtle, DaveReynolds, ChrisW

<sandro> +JosDB

<ChrisW> scribenick: MikeDean

<ChrisW> Scribe: Mike Dean

<mdean> has someone imported the agenda?

<sandro> (number of callers - 13)

<ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/att-0066/20-rif-minutes.html

Admin

<mdean> RESOLVED: minutes accepted

<sandro> Allen, are you on the call?

<mdean> no agenda amendments

<Allen> yes

<sandro> +Allen

<mdean> regular telecon next week - Zakim should be back

<sandro> all telecon slots accounted for.

Liason

<sandro> (ie attendee list is accurate)

<Hassan> June 2 and 3

<mdean> F2F6 in Innsbruck June 2-3

<mdean> meeting will be at university

<mdean> Jos: will need count a couple weeks before

<mdean> action 267 complete

F2F

<mdean> email from Paul on PRR - spec delayed

<mdean> no other liaison news

<mdean> agenda items 2 and 3 reversed

<sandro> scribenick: mdean

action review

action 266 complete by Deborah

action 269 completed

by harold

action 270 complete by harold

action 273 complete by mkifer

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/core/draft-20070323.html

Working Draft - frozen March 23 version

josb: possible confusion over general framework vs. RIF Core dialect - not yet introduced
... suggest changing intro text

<AxelPolleres> sorry

<Hassan> It shouldn't

josb: doesn't present dialect itself

ChrisW: should RIF Core be a dialect?

mkifer: document presents more than RIF Core, but much less than a dialect
... may confuse some readers

ChrisW: how important is this?

josb: might lead to a lot of confusion

<sandro> scribenick: mdean

Harold: represents first draft of dialect?

josb: no - doesn't say what dialect is

ChrisW: maybe OK for first draft - elicit this type of feedback

<AlexKozlenkov> Why does it not represent the first draft of the RIF Core dialect?

mkifer: suggest jos send updated paragraphs

ChrisW: not for this Working Draft - too late
... today approve for public release based on authors completing the actions agreed to at F2F5
... WD release process isn't instantaneous
... updated paragraphs available now?

josb: will send to list now

ChrisW: any other comments

<josb> My phrasing suggestions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/0125.html

Deborah: semantics of multi-worded RIF conditions, type is used where signature or word would be expected - confusing
... will send email

mkifer: small comments from Alex

<Hassan> I received them as well Alex

Alex: just sent to Harold?

thanks for correction

mkifer: issue (exists) sent to list

Alex: issue should be addressed in future Working Draft

<Harold> Alex sent:

<Harold> In 2.1.3.1, about the text “only to function terms that belong”. I do not fully understand that. ?v can be bound not necessarily to function terms but also primitive constants.

<Harold> In 2.1.3.3, I_F definition, it says I_F(d_1,…,d_k). This should read I_F(f)(d_1,…,d_k), otherwise I do not get it.

<Harold> Also the introduction says that the focus of WD1 is the condition language (not rules?). Is that so?

no other fixes/edits

<josb> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/0125.html

sandro: current draft does not specify RIF Core? it just lays groundwork?

josb: yes

<Hassan> I second Jos's rewording -hak

taking a minute for everyone to read Jos's message

mkifer: never says that RIF Core is a rule language

<AlexKozlenkov> it looks like the overview is a bit of touch really

ChrisW: does seem like an omission

<Deborah_Nichols> +1 to what Michael says wrt RIF being a 'format' but not rule language

sandro: potentially contentious

<DaveReynolds> The Overview does say "A dialect is a rule language ..."

ChrisW: abstract seems OK

discussion of Jos's message

<Hassan> As an interchange language, readers will expect as least onefull worked out *exchange* between tworeal-life rule languages... (say, Edinburgh Prolog and Colmerauer's Prolog III)

Harold: which will be presented in next version?

<josb> I'm fine with that

Harold: perhaps will be developed in future Working Drafts instead
... we do have a kind of draft of Core

Sandro: Jos's wording too dismissive of current draft

<Harold> The current document is a first draft of the RIF framework, sufficient

<Harold> for the specification of RIF Core, which will be presented in the next

<Harold> version of this document.

ChrisW: keep document as is
... architecture document should help clarify
... don't see this as a killer - but would like feedback from community
... accept typo fixes from Deborah and Alex
... straw poll on publishing current version as first Working Draft
... any anticipated objections?

none

Agfa: not present

Betfair: yes

Corticon absent

DERI Galway absent

DERI Galway (Axel): yes

DERI Innsbruck: yes

Sandro recording - will send email later

<Hassan> ILOG votes YES for publication of the WD1 (hak representing)

<IgorMozetic> JSI vote: yes

<AlexKozlenkov> JBoss voted yes (communicated by Mark Proctor)

<AlexKozlenkov> JBoss voted remotely, they can send an e-mail confirmation if required

RESOLUTION: first Working Draft published

ChrisW: thanks to editors - real accomplishment

<sandro> Passed 15 YES, 0 Abstain, 0 No.

<ircleuser> :-)

ChrisW: finish meeting with action review - continue issue discussion next week
... new issues: URIs in text (via email), overlapping domains

action 271 - discussion in email - misunderstanding - complete

action 266 complete

no other actions

CORE

UCR

action review

UCR waiting for review?

Allen: correct

sandro: image alt text email?
... alt doesn't necessarily have to be complete

<scribe> ACTION: Allen to add alt text for UCR [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-rif-minutes.html#action01]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-274 - Add alt text for UCR [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2007-04-03].

<sandro> (not so much "complete" as "lengthy")

RIFRAF

RIFRAF actions to be discussed in 2 weeks

AOB

adjourned

<Allen> bye

<AlexKozlenkov> Thank you the editors and all

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