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MWI BPWG Teleconference
19 Mar 2007

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Sean, Abel, Miguel, Jo, Nacho
Regrets
Chair
Sean
Scribe
Jo

Contents


 

 

<trackbot> Date: 19 March 2007

attendees: Jo, Abel

<abel> hi jo.. I and Miguel are waiting for nacho

attendees+ miguel, Sean

<srowen> hello all

<scribe> scribe: Jo

<scribe> scribenick: Jo

<srowen> anyone joining the conference bridge?

Possible F2F in Dublin April 2 and 3

sean: who can come?

jo: Me, you, Dom, probably, Shadi.
... roland said he couldn't make it

abel: noone can attend from Spain

jo: if we changed date?

abel: no

jo: would like to make it possible for people from spain to attend
... would it work better in Spain?

abel: we'd have to talk with Nacho about the possibility
... he's not here right now but should be here soon

sean: should we change date then?

jo: if Dom and Shadi can be there then I think it would be worthwhile

sean: I'm less worried than I was about sticking to the original deadlines, as there is stuff out there for the finalized draft of mOK
... but lets go ahead

jo: I'll try finalise by this time tomorrow

sean: let's try to involve people from spain by phone

Intermediate doc and its format

Sean: looks good to me, you guys seems to know what you want

<abel> yes, agreed with that

jo: think we need comments back from ERT group before finalising, and think it would be easier to finalise F2F

Code

sean: Think we should probably take stock of requirements before pressing ahead on this - where are we with requirements

jo: agree that writing code helps one to sharpen ones perceptions

sean: agree - will continue to protype

jo: shadi mentioned that he was interested in extensibility to be a checker for WAI but I am concerned that it is a bit too broad for us

sean: yes, it would be good to meet their requirements but yes we need to be sure that it's not too broad

Requirements

Sean: let's look at that thread and see which lingering points of discussion remain
... bit worried about the tidying up issue
... is this lenient mode

jo: yes though worry about the term 'lenient' as the result is the same whether or not you are in it
... anyway it's in tune with what the mobileOK doc says

sean: should we record issues

jo: yes but is it OK to use BP tracker for that as we are not chartered

F2F (bis)

[nacho joined]

sean: should we go ahead with Dublin?

nacho: we can host it here on a different date
... not on 2nd April

sean: so we will continue with tentative plans to meet in Dublin and conference you in

jo: need to confirm with Dublin colleages and we should check that Dom and Shadi can sill make it
... I'll do that by this time tomorrow

Requirements (bis)

Sean: back to tidying up the results
... just need to make it clear what is going on

jo: worrried about how the tidying is actually done
... think we should investigate TAG soup

sean: agree that this could just be part of the test results

jo: think that we don't need to fuss unduly about it if the doc fails validation
... then it fails, and maybe we just need to note on the other results that this is based on TIDY and is not to be relied upon

sean: that seems OK to me

<abel> +1

<abel> ... to set actions

<scribe> ACTION: Jo to confirm dublin F2F [for checker] by tomorrow [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-453 - Confirm dublin F2F [for checker] by tomorrow [on Jo Rabin - due 2007-03-26].

<scribe> ACTION: Sean to investigate TAG Soup [for checker] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-454 - Investigate TAG Soup [for checker] [on Sean Owen - due 2007-03-26].

<srowen> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobileok-checker/2007Mar/0009.html

sean: yes take a URI would be good and yes it would be useful to test a doc locally

jo: think it implies a mode of saying don't test links, don't test http headers
... acouple of cases
... in one you need to specify a base to check linked docs

sean: I see it as being having the ability to supply headers and a base if you want
... makes sense as an approach
... on 4.3 docuemntation
... yes there is both Java doc and overall architecture doc

jo: I think that working on architecture doc would not be premature at this statge

<scribe> ACTION: Sean to start work on architectural documentation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-455 - Start work on architectural documentation [on Sean Owen - due 2007-03-26].

sean: should be helpful for people to do implementations in other languages
... on 4.4 but we do need to replace dom's initial version
... consensus seems to be that yes that is nice but should be considered afterwards

jo: think we should not burn effort to make a proper interface beyond what is needed for testing

sean: 4.5.5 yes agree that the http headers should be recorded

jo: am worried that they don't really have consistent requirements for what we are trying to do and are maybe burning energy when it could be simpler if we have to add too much to it

sean: not that bothered about the RDF aspect

jo: well, the fact that there are two ways of specifying headers and values ...
... makes it a bit inconvenient to use
... still not sure why they think this is useful and what is the use case?

<srowen> (apologize for dominating the discussion)

sean: think I agree - if we find more issues then think we should revisit, it wouldn't be hard to reuse some of the stuff they have done but make it more convenient to use

nacho: we should try to re-use existing technologies and extend it
... think it would be more work to do it otherwise

sean: let's use it as is and add something that adds both the normalised and original form
... perhaps we should talk to Shadi about it

jo: I think that we should certainly output in HTTP-in-RDFbut whether we should therefor use exactly the same representation is open to question

sean: if I found another reason that makes it incovenient then I'd be in favour of dumping it
... but think we should persist for a while

jo: think that we should certainly makes sure we pay attention to their hard work - but don't know that this is the whole answer

nacho: yes we should give it a shot, but if its too hard then reconsider

jo: I am coming round to the view that we should support it but not use it for the primary representation
... because it may make it a lot harder for us to use it for our own purposes

sean: lets continue this on list

nacho: can you do the architecture as a skeleton so we can contribute parts
... how about a table of contents to start?

sean: sure I'll due it that way and open it up, would appreciate the help

next meeting

sean: next monday Im'm travelling and the monday after is april 2nd
... so next meeting will be then
... ok that's it!

<scribe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobileok-checker/2007Mar/0043.html

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Jo to confirm dublin F2F [for checker] by tomorrow [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Sean to investigate TAG Soup [for checker] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Sean to start work on architectural documentation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
 
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