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<shawn> agenda: [screibe, please get from mailing list]
<Alan> My pass code is not valid? 3694
<shawn> scribenick: alan
Due to work load with WCAG 2.0, more emphasis on discussion and less on documents.
LM: About UK 'supergroup'
... Different disciplines, like information architecture, search engine optimisation (SEO) need to know about accessibility.
<Harvey> I will be giving a presentation to the Lexington Senior Citizens Group's
LM: On large projects, increasingly accessibility people are brought in from the beginning.
<Harvey> Computer Group on April 4.
<Harvey> The topic is our work in WAI.
WL: What are the motives for the trend?
LM: Increased respect due to overlap between accessibility and usability.
HB: Sounds similar to what was discussed at meeting in Gijón on inclusion.
<Harvey> just rejoined after being thrown off.
HB: Speakers from other groups, like markup languages, included accessibility in their talks.
LM: Accessibility is considered a prerequisite.
JB: It's useful to have input from other areas.
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask how we encourage others to understand overlap. how take advantage. (someone - other than EOWG - pull together info for each discpline ;)
SH: Accessibility / Usability overlap helps get the message across.
William: Is there a need expressed for better tools?
<Helle> http://www.w3c.es/Eventos/2007/eGov/index.html.en - link to programme for European w3c symposium on eGovernment
LM: People aren't demanding tools. They aren't too worried about how the acccessibility gets done.
WL: There are still no ATAG-compliant tools.
LM: People aren't prepared to, for example, change CMS (content management system) because it's too costly and complex to do.
<shawn> Shawn: ...get articles in SEO, IA< etc. online magazines about the overlap...
HB: Decision in Denmark to
require accessible electronic document formats.
... Reluctance to require accessible tools.
<Helle> me/ zakim, mute me
<shawn> [minute cleanup person: Please change the "HB" above to "HBj" to clarify Helle instead of Harvey :]
JT: People are aware that they need to know about accessibility
<LiamMcGee> JT: to be considered professional (with a few exceptions)
[Wayne reports briefly from on board plane]
DS: Standards entusiasts in organisation are aware and keen on accessibility but there is also the side that wants to adopt new technologies like Ajax and give accessibility less priority.
<judy> [accessibility essentials of information architecture - liam]
<Helle> me/ zakim, unmute me
HB: Attended european
... There are now national labels, but there's a need for a european one.
AC: Am working on Technosite mapping to UWEM; Braillenet alredy done it.
LM: In the UK there is the See-it-Right label.
SD: WAI label is a self-declaration. Others that have to be paid for are third-party and more reliable.
<shawn> scribenick: shawn
<Alan> SD: Harmonisation of methodology, not pricing.
<judy> ACTION: jb add to change log for contacting people abt their web sites, suggestions for if running into someone at event... consider. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/23-eo-minutes.html#action01]
<Harvey> HB had been bounced off
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to mention still need to make it cool
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say talked to Dave shay
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