W3C

i18n core WG

6 Feb 2007

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Felix, Francois, Michael, Richard
Regrets
Ienup
Chair
Francois
Scribe
Felix

Contents


last minutes

minutes approved

action items

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to add mobileOK to LC radar (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: Richard to send the "IDN does it work?" document to GEO (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]

<scribe> ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to Chris and the i18n core list (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065 (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacritics in collations (DROPPED) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]

Francois: there is no standard for that

Felix: there will be a last call soon I think

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail on xml:base and to write a reply to him (PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]

<scribe> ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]

Francois: relevant for the note on C064/65, I used that information

"IDNs, do they work" document

see mail from Richard at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0040.html

Michael: got some feedback on IDN document
... Mark Davis sent some feedback on the document, I can forward it to Richard
... he saw some different behavior in IE 7

Richard: What is the different behavior?

Michael describes the mail from Mark at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0028.html

latest draft from Michael at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0032.html

Michael: I tested myself and saw that Mark is right

Francois: what was the difference?

Richard: if you have in language preference box "only English"
... they seemed to have worked out "English users use only ASCII, no umlaut"
... so if you go to "baecker.com" with AUMLAUT, you will get punycode
... I have en-GB as my setting, you can't have en (only as "user defined") in IE 7

Francois: so they define ASCII as a new script for "English only"?

Richard: there are many languages which use latin scripts, I wonder how they figured that out
... I get punycode for en and en-GB

Michael: it associates ASCII with any English language preference
... and latin-1 for any western European languages

Richard: what test did you do, Michael?

Michael: I understand that it is technically correct what Mark says
... but it might be misleading since IE 7 will work if you have a European language in your preference, even if the character is not from that language

<scribe> ACTION: Richard to contact Russ and others to figure out how IE 7 handles display of Punycode and language preference settings [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]

Michael: on the links: some render fine on the screen, but you get a percent escaped URL

Richard: I can remove the links from the table header

Michael: ok

Richard: anther comment from Thomas Roessler
... he said that this is not about pishing
... I wanted to say that this is a gray area
... if we would say "homograph attack" people would not understand what we mean

Francois: how about "pishing using a homograph attack"?

Richard: I'll have a look and see what I can come up with

Francois: all very good

Richard: the subsection after the table "other pishing concerns" after the table
... I tried to summarize a lot of information

Charmod C064 considered unclear

proposal from Francois at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0042.html

Francois: proposal is to have this note as an erratum

Francois describes the note

Felix: looks good to me

Richard: different wording proposal using "tight"?

Francois: sometimes Unicode is referenced not normatively, so "tied to" would not fit

Richard: ok
... how do we manage errrata?

Francois: you edit the errata page

Richard: do we have to go through a process?

Francois: for a normative change, you have to publish a new version of the spec
... for the non-normative note, we just publish the erratum, that is it

<fyergeau> http://www.w3.org/2005/02/charmod-fundamentals-errata.html

http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-charmod-20050215

Francois: we can have an group internal countdown for two weeks, if nobody protests, we put it on the errata page

RESOLUTION: WG agrees with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0042.html as an erratum for charmod norm. We will have an group internal countdown for two weeks, if nobody protests, we put it on the errata page

xml:base

Francois: too late to do s.t., let's drop this

XQuery review update

Felix: there will be a last call of full text soon, so we can make a review at last call

Work on Japanese layout

Felix gives a summary

Felix: I'll write a mail later about the task force, just a heads up for the moment

LTLI update, see http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/ and normative statements at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0048.html .

Michael: there is a dublicate in sec. 3.1
... there is a typo in sec. 4 first sentence
... in Example 1: the extendend langugae range , why do two hyphens de-*-DE match e.g. de-DE?

Francois: this is not like pure regex
... the de-*-DE is "two sub tags with any sub tag inbetween"

Michael: ok

Felix: the examples are from the matching spec
... will be fine

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to make updates of LTLI taking Michaels feedback into account [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]

i18n charter review

Richard: review period finishes tomorrow, 25 respones so far

(Richard describes some responses)

(Richard describes the following process)

Richard: if you have ideas on a recruitement plan, please contact me
... after rechartering we have to think how we will organize the work with the GEO folks

Francois: what is the time line?

Richard: a couple of weeks I think

AOB

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Felix to make updates of LTLI taking Michaels feedback into account [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Richard to contact Russ and others to figure out how IE 7 handles display of Punycode and language preference settings [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to Chris and the i18n core list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail on xml:base and to write a reply to him [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to add mobileOK to LC radar [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Richard to send the "IDN does it work?" document to GEO [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
 
[DROPPED] ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacritics in collations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
 
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