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WAF WG Minutes from XBL2 Discussions
26 Oct 2006

Attendees

Present
Art Barstow, Anne van Kesteren, Coach Wei, Dean Jackson, Jose Cantera Fonseca, Marcos Caceres, Mikko Pohja
Chair
Art
Scribe
Marcos, Anne

Processing XBL LC Comments

AB: Ian has created a LC Disposition of Comments document: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/xbl2/disposition-of-comments?rev=1.2&content-type=text/plain

AB: does this meet the minimal requirements for tracking the comments?

AvK: should they be in a HTML format that is linkable?

DJ: There aren't really any clear requirements. However, we've been asked to do the following:

DJ: 1. Link to the original comment message

DJ: 2. Link to the official WG response message (or messages)

DJ: 3. Link to the acknowledgment from the commenter (that they are happy/unhappy with the response)

DJ: Ian's DOC has most of this info, but TimBL and Steve would appreciate it in HTML I think (with the info above).

DJ: it should include the comment, the response from the editor, the response (if any) from the person who commented, and the group response
... and the status

DJ: management was a consistant way to track comments, but there is currently no standard

AB: maybe we need to put that to upper management

DJ: Hixies responses don't include a WG response
... there may be cases that the WG does not agree with what hixie wants.
... so we need to work with him on that.
... in most cases hixie has done what the WG would want

AB: since all the key people in the WG that are insterested in XBL are here now, so we should respond to as many of the public comments as possible from the WG perspective

MC: agreed

<ArtB> ACTION: Art notify Hixie about the 3 requirements for LC comments that Dean identified: 1) Link to the original comment message; 2) Link to the official WG response message; 3) Link to the acknowledgment from the commenter (that they are happy/unhappy with the response). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-waf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-46 - Notify Hixie about the 3 requirements for LC comments that Dean identified: 1) Link to the original comment message; 2) Link to the official WG response message; 3) Link to the acknowledgment from the commenter (that they are happy/unhappy with the response). [on Arthur Barstow - due 2006-11-02].

Discussion of the XBL2 LC Comments and Their Disposition

MC: is HTML5 being mentioned going to be a problem?

DJ: it will be in when it is mentioned in contexts that are normative

<ArtB> ACTION: Dean submit a formal comment against the XBL2 LCWD regarding the HTML5 reference. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-waf-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-47 - Submit a formal comment against the XBL2 LCWD regarding the HTML5 reference. [on Dean Jackson - due 2006-11-02].

AB: lets start with the disposition of comments
... I've noticed that Ian has also included comments that were raised on the XBL mailing list

DJ: that is not a problem, we can include them as a last call comment

AB: are we required to respond to those
... ?

DJ: no, we are not required to respond, but I am happy to except them as comments
... it makes sense to accept them as comments
... i worded it on the XBL spec that we will not track comments on the XBL-dev list

AB: going through the comments

AvK: I don't this is needed

AB: comment 1 is about examples
... seems to be addressed

<dino_> DJ: We're required to make an official response as the WG. Even though Ian has responded, he wasn't representing the WG (whether we agree or not). We have to follow the rules.

AB: WG agrees with Ian's comments, but we'll not make an official WG reply

<ArtB> AB: ... because the comment was sent to the moz-xbl-tech mail list

AB: comment 2 on typos in examples
... for comment 2 the WG agrees with Ian's response

DJ: we need to get a reply from the commenter

AB: the working group will not respond if changes are editorial
... comment 2 - the working group approves how these comments were handled
... Comment 3 - related to XML NS and XBL....
... dean will write an email response to commenter asking him if the changes that hixie made are acceptable or not

DJ: sent!

AB: Comment 3 - the working group approves how these comments were handled (but does not yet have a response from the commentor)
... Commnet 4 - from Karl "was there anything that the working group did not think about?"
... Comment 4 - the working group approves how these comments were handled and approval has been recieved by the commentor
... Comment 5 - regarding terminology
... status is that has been rejected on technical grounds
... Comment 5 - the working group approves how these comments were handled and approval has been recieved by the commentor. No further action required.

no further action is also required for 1,2,3,4

AB: Comment 6 - regarding the abstract
... Comment 6 - the working group approves how these comments were handled and approval has been recieved by the commentor. No further action required.
... Comment 7 - better introduction
... Comment 7 - the working group approves how these comments were handled and approval has been recieved by the commentor. No further action required.
... comment 8 - comment regarding extensibility
... Status "not sure how to proceed"
... There does not seem to be a response from the commentor

DJ: I like Hixies repsonse to this comment.

AB: Comment 8 - the working group approves how these comments were handled and but a response it needed by the commentor. DJ to sent a response.

DJ: sent a response to Karl regarding comment 8.

AB: Comment 9 - XML id issue
... not a new issue
... karl asks, if there any reason for not using XML id?
... Comment 9 - the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. A response of approval has not been sent by the commentor.

DJ: Has sent a request to the commentor to send his approval.

AB: Comment 10 - def of shadow tree is obscure
... Comment 10 - the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. But a response of approval has not been sent by the commentor.
... the working group agrees, however to leave this commet OPEN
... Pending a response from Karl
... Comment 11 - the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. But a response of approval has not been sent by the commentor.

DJ: email sent to Karl

AB: Comment 12 - terminology issues

<dino_> Ian's DoC is missing Bjoern's response on Comment 12

<dino_> http://www.w3.org/mid/5j70j2hg7ncb3l3aojbr7oa5bpvcnhph50@hive.bjoern.hoehrmann.de

<dino_> and that response needs to be responded to.

<dino_> This means the status on comment 12 isn't up to date.

AB: Comment 13 - XBL1 to XBL2 relationship
... regarding backward compatability with XBL 1
... Comment 13 - the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. No followup is needed.
... Comment 14 - regarding parsing mechanisms, selectors, regex and XPath...
... Comment 13 - the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. However, no response has been received by the commentor.

DJ: sent and email

above refers to comment 14

AB: Comment 15 - editorial changes
... Comment 15 - the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. Commentor has approved the response. no further action needed.
... Comment 16 - no definition of "already loaded"
... Comment 16 - the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. But commentor has not approved the response..

DJ: sent message

AB: Comment 17 - regarding XML Events
... This one should be left often, as we are waiting for more data from Karl
... Comment 18 - @namespace issue
... Open until the error in the CSS NS spec is fixed
... Comment 19 - question about the term "semantic-free" elements
... comment 19 might be missing some of the URIs
... yes, it is missing some URIs
... comment 19 to remain OPEN
... Comment 20 - selectors
... comment 20 is missing URIs
... status should change to "no change required, awaiting response from the commentor"
... Comment 20 - the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. But commentor has not approved the response..
... Comment 21
... the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. this comment can be considered closed
... Comment 22

the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. A response from the commentor has not been received. An email has been sent to the commentor

AB: Comment 23 - Comments about the abstract

the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. A response from the commentor has not been received. Jose will send a comment.

AB: Comment 24 - confusion over the word "ignored"
... Comment 24 - the working group approves how these comments were handled by the editor. A response has been received from the commentor. this comment can be considered closed.
... that is the last comment
... so far

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