See also: IRC log
<jallan> Scribe: JR
PP: Mentions that pre-querying links can cause javascript actions these days so its problematic.
JAL 10.5, 10.6, 10.7 use JA and JR messages
PP mentions that he can't see UA guidelines at the moment since his IP (IBM's) is temporarily banned due to high activity from W3 site
CL: CL also had 10.5 comment
JA: 11.1 all about browser
... If UA allows user to change to keystrokes then does 11.1
mean updating underlining etc
CL: Usually don't change accesskeys, change short cuts
JR: Yes, but 11.4 seems to imply ability to change UA accesskeys
CL: This whole section is a problem because documentation doesn't change
JA: Right- also need ability to
return keystrokes to defaults
... 11.1 is straightforward - need ability to findout what
current controls are
<scribe> Scribe: JR
JA: But we do need to emphasize that 11.1 does cover case when Author has changed bindings + way to get back to default
<scribe> ACTION: JA to Make default (doing more #2) into a normative [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<jallan> JA action should be for 11.3
JA: ALso in 11.3, need another nom inclusdion - if user able to override, must update (meet 11.1)
<scribe> ACTION: JA to in 11.3, need another nom inclusdion - if user able to override, must update (meet 11.1) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ua-minutes.html#action02]
JA: Likes JR's idea of
"author-specified" input configuration
... Any AJAX impact?
PP: In Gmail they look for global keystrokes
CL: Onkeypress actions etc.
JA: IN summary, outside of accesskey other keybindings are possible with event handlers
JR: 11.2 seems to cover this
CL: Well function can do
anything...
... Actual keystrokes used depends on function which is called
by any keypress...
JR: How are keys documented?
CL: Would have to go and study this
<jallan> JR: so what do we do with this, accesskey has issues. There are ways with javascript for the author to provide keybindings
PP: ex. Gmail just has a help page of keys
<jallan> CL: this seems more of a WCAG requirement
<jallan> JR: Right the author needs to supply the use with a listing of keyboard bindings
CL: Unless there is a way to expose keys used in a way like accesskey...
<scribe> ACTION: JA to 11.2 has an AJAX issue that keystrokes are not available. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: CL to Write message for Jim to send to PF on issue of how UA might get at AJAX keystrokes. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<jallan> ACTION: JA to write to WCAG about author keybinding in javascript functions (ala gmail) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ua-minutes.html#action05]
Covered under 11.1 discussion
JR: Phrasing of norm req #1 a bit
ambiguous
... This was new wording: ""Allow the user to override any
binding in the user agent
default keyboard configuration with a NEW binding to either a key plus
modifier keys or to a single key, PROVIDED UNUSED KEYS ARE AVAILABLE."
"
JA: But not sure browser deal
with this.
... Does software usually check for keyboard conflicts.
CL: Probably check when changing
them
... Prob true within override set...but alt+...would be a
prob
... So in general don't use alt+ keys for rebinding
... Also don't allow F1 etc
JA: Do we need to say check for conflicts?
CL: Yes - don't assign to funvtions to the same key
<scribe> ACTION: JA to Think about the check for conflicts when rebinding keys [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ua-minutes.html#action06]
CL: Usually single key access requires a particular mode
JA: In opera there are lots of
letter keys for navigation etc
... Ordering is a prob...11.5 should go first
CL: Split out because one big
checkpoint would be hard to meet
... 11.4 point to 11.5 saying that the list of 11.5 things
needs to be done with single key
JA: OK to review...
... Other than key conflicts on rebing anything else?
CL: Some people claim conformance
on multi-user login OS
... The user name you login as saves the profile.
JA: Eudora has "different personalities"
JR: There are cases of people with disabilities that change energy levels throughout day etc and who benefit from profiles they can change without logging in
CL: There is a "tech" to change
rapidly but it is not normative
... Portable profiles should be a tech?
<scribe> ACTION: JA to Add a technique on the importing, exporting of setting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ua-minutes.html#action07]
JR: Maybe mention Web4all type systems
CL: Easier if all the AT's supported those functions
JR describes ATAG approach
<jallan> JR: in ATAG what about pallets, etc. need to have user control of what is it and where it is located.
JA: But what about Add on toolbars like UIllinois extension toolbar
CL: Plugin would have to provide that
IE and Firefox can make plugin bars in/visible
PP: Some toolbars you can right click on to get more config
All: Discussion of plugin toolbars (UIllinois, Google, etc.)
JA: Accessibility toolbar from austalia is completely accessible
<scribe> ACTION: JA to in 11.7 plugin toolbars have to provide their own accessibility functionality [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/07-ua-minutes.html#action08]
JA: THere is a request from PF
etc. for a test case meeting on Wednesday
... Coming from Al Gilman
... I think it will happen
... Even if it is just a joint meeting between PF and UA
... Next week we will do #12
... Charter is also due so we'll get on that too
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