W3C

i18n core Working Group

5 Dec 2006

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Attendees

Present
Felix, Francois, Michael
Regrets
Richard
Chair
Francois
Scribe
Felix

Contents


Michael - self introduction

Michael: interested in i18n in general and ws-i18n in specific . New to W3C WGs

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to gather pointers for Michael about W3C in general and i18n specific stuff (including ws i18n) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]

action items

action Felix to send out notes to www-international about LC reviews (InkML and PLS) (DONE)

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to send out notes to www-international about LC reviews (InkML and PLS) (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to review InkML LC draft (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]

http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews

<scribe> ACTION: Richard to find out what is the canonical URI for BCP47 (ONGOING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]

see thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0015.html

<fyergeau> http://esw.w3.org/topic/i18nLTLI

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to to classify open LTLI issues (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]

Felix: would use the wiki to collect topics, but text creation directly in the draft

<scribe> ACTION: All to read Martins comments on IDNA issues (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]

thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Oct/0012.html

comments from Martin are available

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]

Heard nothing from Chris Lilley

Francois: the last mail on the topic was from Martin, we are waiting for Chris

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to give input to wiki for the LTLI summary (ONGOING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]

Francois: started editing this morning

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to reply to Schema WG on normalization issue (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]

idna issue update

<scribe> postponed until next week

time Ontology comments

reply from Semantic web WG at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0017.html

Francois: can be fixed when entered in a time line in the ontology
... as they say. We did not have a specific suggestion to solve the problem
... people in semantic web should do the Olson ID conversion to RDF

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to the WG finally [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]

Felix: will mention olson ID again

Charmod C064 considered unclear

see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0017.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Nov/0013.html

reply from Martin http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Nov/0018.html

Francois: agree with Martin on that

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to Bjoern saying Martins mail is a WG answer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action12]

XQuery full-text search request for feedback

original mail from Jim http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Nov/0012.html

Felix reply at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/0003.html

Felix: the FTLanguage Option refers only to a language tag, hence I proposed to reference RFC 4646 and not BCP 47 as a whole

"/book[@number="1"]//editor ftcontains "salon de the"

with default stop words language "fr"

Francois: the "fr" would match to the particular implementation options
... so we need matching

Felix: agree, and ask for a note which explains that

Francois: 3.2.6 says "It is implementation-defined what additional language identifiers, if any, are valid. "
... in BCP 47, they should start with "x" for non-BCP 47 identifiers. So: use BCP 47, there is room for private extensions
... in the reply, we should explain the BCP 47 role as RFC 3066 sucessor work, and there is another successor on the way

Felix: on issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3740 : what should happen in the case of conflicts between xml:lang and the language option

Francois: xml:lang should have precedence - so ask for a SHOULD, since not all implementations will have all languages available

Michael: you search a Japanese document with a french option, they will just get no results, but maybe that's OK

Francois: parsing rules are different for languages, e.g. no spaces in Japanese
... the implementation SHOULD obey xml:lang
... and say it is implementation-defined what languages they cover

on issue 3698, see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/xsl-query-specs/full-text/full-text.html#ftdiacriticsoption

Felix describes the issue

Felix: are there standardized options for diacritics in collations?

Francois: I'll have a look

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacrictics in collations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action13]

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to ask for an extension for CSS 2.1 review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action14]

LTLI

Felix: will make a summary of the discussion at the architecture domain f2f and make editing related to that

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Felix to ask for an extension for CSS 2.1 review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to gather pointers for Michael about W3C in general and i18n specific stuff (including ws i18n) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to go back to Bjoern saying Martins mail is a WG answer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to go back to the WG finally [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacrictics in collations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action13]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: All to read Martins comments on IDNA issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to to classify open LTLI issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to give input to wiki for the LTLI summary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to review InkML LC draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Richard to find out what is the canonical URI for BCP47 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to send out notes to www-international about LC reviews (InkML and PLS) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Francois to reply to Schema WG on normalization issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]
 
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