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<patH> whoops, I might have done that. Sorry.
<kendallclark> zakim's a PITA
<AndyS> Buzzing is me - I'll mute - I've tried dialing several times already
<kendallclark> AndyS: bummer
<kendallclark> if it weren't so loud i'd just ignore it :)
<SimonR> My first experiment with SIP to dial in....
<AndyS> It's when I use ATT calling.
<kendallclark> Scribe: jeen
<AndyS> Scribe was to be EricP
<AndyS> ==> <AndyS> Meet next time - one week's time - Eric to scribe
<kendallclark> Attendees: AndyS, KendallC, SimonR, PatH, LeeF, JeenB
<AndyS> Agenda looks fine to me
<AndyS> I'm available.
<kendallclark> PROPOSED to meet next 12 Dec, KendallC chairing, some unlucky sap to scribe
<kendallclark> APPROVED minutes for 28 Oct
<kendallclark> ACTION: Jeen propose test suite process (not do it all). [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
<kendallclark> ACTION: Jeen review rq24-algebra [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
<kendallclark> ACTION: LeeF to review rq24-algebra [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action03]
<kendallclark> ACTION: KendallC to close formsOfDistinct issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
<kendallclark> ACTION: KendallC to remember that the wee, lost filter tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
<kendallclark> ACTION: PatH to review the proposed tests [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action06]
<kendallclark> ACTION: PatH to draft replacement vanilla entailment section [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
<kendallclark> Andy wonders when Jeen might get to more reviewing
<kendallclark> Jeen thinks in the next few weeks, holidays allowing
Jeen: hopefully (fingers crossed) within next week or the week after
<kendallclark> Pat's draft:
<AndyS> PatH: draft covers necessary, not suficient conditions
PatH: we can then use simple
subgraph matching in sparql itself.
... but leaves the door open for OWL DL ppl to do more.
<kendallclark> PatH: deliberately leaves the door open for OWL-DL people
<SimonR> +q Any comment on the choice that answer sets are required to be complete?
<kendallclark> nosy typist killing me!
<kendallclark> thanks andy
no it was me I think, sorry
kendall asks andy what more he needs for path's draft to move into rq24?
<kendallclark> ACTION: PatH to To change the entailment section around to talk about SPARQL first, then more general conditions in a normative appendix [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action08]
<kendallclark> +2, Andy
<kendallclark> Jeen: reviewed w/ two colleagues, (who have db backgrounds but not so much sparql)
<kendallclark> Some editorial stuff, requests for clarification, etc
<kendallclark> Definitions of Diff & LeftJoin caused some trouble
AndyS: current def is closer to
how SQL works, Jeen's mention of 'standard' refers more to how
this work in relational algebra
... the point has been made before but I disagree with it. current spec prevents having to repeat parts of the query.
<AndyS> Rewrite is A LJ B => A LJ (A Join B)
<AndyS> (A filter) OPT B => A LJ ( FILTER(A) JOIN B )
<ericP> saaarreeee guys
<patH> hello eric, you were the scribe :)
<ericP> yep, plan to for the remaining time
<ericP> redirect sent to Olivier Corby
<kendallclark> PROPOSED to ADJOURN
<AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent ==> rrsagent, [please] set [these] logs world-visible
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