SV_MEETING_TITLE -- 5 Dec 2006

<kendallclark> wtf?

<patH> whoops, I might have done that. Sorry.

<kendallclark> s'ok

<kendallclark> zakim's a PITA

<patH> ;)

<AndyS> Buzzing is me - I'll mute - I've tried dialing several times already

<kendallclark> AndyS: bummer

<kendallclark> if it weren't so loud i'd just ignore it :)

<SimonR> My first experiment with SIP to dial in....

<AndyS> It's when I use ATT calling.

<kendallclark> Scribe: jeen

<AndyS> Scribe was to be EricP

<AndyS> ==> <AndyS> Meet next time - one week's time - Eric to scribe

<kendallclark> Attendees: AndyS, KendallC, SimonR, PatH, LeeF, JeenB

<AndyS> Agenda looks fine to me

comments list action: corby & polleres

<AndyS> I'm available.

<kendallclark> PROPOSED to meet next 12 Dec, KendallC chairing, some unlucky sap to scribe

bootup

action items

<kendallclark> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/att-0175/28-dawg-minutes.html

<kendallclark> APPROVED minutes for 28 Oct

<kendallclark> ACTION: Jeen propose test suite process (not do it all). [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action01]

<kendallclark> ACTION: Jeen review rq24-algebra [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action02]

<kendallclark> ACTION: LeeF to review rq24-algebra [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action03]

<kendallclark> ACTION: KendallC to close formsOfDistinct issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action04]

<kendallclark> ACTION: KendallC to remember that the wee, lost filter tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action05]

<kendallclark> CONTINUE

<kendallclark> ACTION: PatH to review the proposed tests [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action06]

<kendallclark> ACTION: PatH to draft replacement vanilla entailment section [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action07]

<kendallclark> Andy wonders when Jeen might get to more reviewing

<kendallclark> Jeen thinks in the next few weeks, holidays allowing

Jeen: hopefully (fingers crossed) within next week or the week after

path's draft of entailment section

<kendallclark> Pat's draft:

<kendallclark> http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes/SPARQL-BGP-semantics.html

<AndyS> PatH: draft covers necessary, not suficient conditions

PatH: we can then use simple subgraph matching in sparql itself.
... but leaves the door open for OWL DL ppl to do more.

<kendallclark> PatH: deliberately leaves the door open for OWL-DL people

<SimonR> +q Any comment on the choice that answer sets are required to be complete?

<kendallclark> nosy typist killing me!

<kendallclark> thanks andy

no it was me I think, sorry

kendall asks andy what more he needs for path's draft to move into rq24?

<kendallclark> ACTION: PatH to To change the entailment section around to talk about SPARQL first, then more general conditions in a normative appendix [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/05-dawg-minutes.html#action08]

<kendallclark> +2, Andy

comments list action: corby & polleres

rq24 review

<kendallclark> Jeen: reviewed w/ two colleagues, (who have db backgrounds but not so much sparql)

<kendallclark> Some editorial stuff, requests for clarification, etc

<kendallclark> Definitions of Diff & LeftJoin caused some trouble

AndyS: current def is closer to how SQL works, Jeen's mention of 'standard' refers more to how this work in relational algebra
... the point has been made before but I disagree with it. current spec prevents having to repeat parts of the query.

<AndyS> Rewrite is A LJ B => A LJ (A Join B)

<AndyS> (A filter) OPT B => A LJ ( FILTER(A) JOIN B )

<ericP> saaarreeee guys

<patH> hello eric, you were the scribe :)

<ericP> yep, plan to for the remaining time