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<AndyS> LHS of optional should be shortish - overtaken by events (in item 1)
<kendallclark> yeah, i thought that might be the case, but another agenda item can't hurt since we have so few :)
<AndyS> s/item 1/item 2/- opps
<AndyS> What about the comments list? BobMcG's msg is about requirements more than anything else.
<kendallclark> ah, yeah, i forgot about that message... we do need to respond
<kendallclark> thx andy
<AndyS> we can skip the personal bits :-|
<kendallclark> yes, please :)
<SteveH> has the telecon started?
<SteveH> oh, no, just seen zakim
<kendallclark> nice to see mark baker still has time to slander sparql protocol all over town :)
<kendallclark> i will give him credit for one thing: he is doggedly persistent
<AndyS> I thought the "use a different verb (PATCH)" amounted to defining an update language (over POST) -- except one is more deployable.
<kendallclark> i don't like fundamentalists of any stripe
<kendallclark> good point, andy
<kendallclark> hmm, i don't see Elias, who offered to scribe this meeting
<kendallclark> EliasT: you dialing in?
<kendallclark> good :)
<AndyS> just got quieter here
<kendallclark> i don't think it's me, but i'll redial
<AndyS> It's not you : its there , when yr not
<kendallclark> i think it might be eric
<AndyS> some noise
<scribe> Scribe: EliasT
<kendallclark> it went away when i muted me
<kendallclark> sorry, when i m uted eric
<ericP> was better with me muted?
<kendallclark> PROPOSED to approve those minutes as a record of the 14 Nov meetingh
Next meeting - 28th Nov
Next meeting -- 28th Nov
Next meeting -- 28th Nov -- Scribe = ericP
<ericP> sorry, wrong day
<ericP> AC meeting
Next meeting -- 28th Nov -- Scribe = AndyS
<AndyS> Andy can make 5/12/19 Dec then 2/Jan/07
<ericP> XML2006 is Dec 5-7
<ericP> that's on the 6th
<kendallclark> SPARQL Algebra
<kendallclark> Andy reviews SPARQL Algebra
<kendallclark> there's a kind of 'reduction' phase; turns groups into join combos
<kendallclark> to come: stuff on manipulating solution sequences
<LeeF> "where are the hooks for extending?"
<kendallclark> +1 to that, Andy
ericP: I suggest you use unicode and specific XSLT to replace specific chars with images.
kendallclark: AndyS, will you add some fabric to connect the algebra with the prose?
AndyS: I was thinking of a stand-alone section with the algebra in rq24. I wanted to keep the terse presentation.
<LeeF> pluggable BGP solution generating?
<AndyS> BGP matching
<LeeF> +1 to pluggable at that level rather than pluggable parameters to E-entailment regimes
ericP: Would it help to have a WG decision whether we'd support multiple rows???
<kendallclark> i think i don't support pluggable at all at this point, but i won't squawk about it
ericP: The reason for having
bags/multiset is to support count/aggregate in the
... I'm fired up about it and so is FredZ.
kendallclark: I think it's useful, so it's probably useful to have a decision.
ericP: I wrote a test that expresses bags if we want to discuss.
<scribe> ACTION: ericP to bring up test on bags for next meeting. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
AndyS: I'm unsure of some of the claims regardng the WHERE clause. I'd like to see some more details on their language.
kendallclark: Bob is asking for
sub-select queries. If so, we'll reiterate the reasons from our
... We should review with Bijan on the UNBOUND comment.
... Is anybody willing to draft a response to Bob?
<kendallclark> sure, why not?
ericP: I can take a first stab on a response and ask for more details on his email.
<ericP> ACTION: ericP to seek clarification on http://www.w3.org/mod/20061110085518567.00000002912@bmacgregor1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
AndyS seconds it.
<LeeF> happy thanksgiving, kendall.
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