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<scribe> Scribe: Jacco
<TobiasBuerger> \me Zakim, mute me
<mhausenb> hi there. today I just can join you via IRC
<isti> hi all from Ovidio, Suzanne and Massimo
<mhausenb> Is it peradventure possible for anybody to transcribe the audio
<mhausenb> or at least summarise, please?
Minutes previous meeting are accepted
Minutes informal meeting @ISWC accepted as well
Next meeting will be next week Nov, 23
<ThomasFranz> my regrets for the next telco on Nov, 23
<raphael> Michael, report on vocabularies page ?
<mhausenb> some progress indeed
<raphael> something to report ?
<mhausenb> still looking for some volunteers for some sections
<mhausenb> promise to incoporate your comments till next week!
<raphael> my comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0056.html
Tobias volunteers to fill some section here
<raphael> Tobias volunteers to maintain MPEG21 and MXF sectionss
<mhausenb> THANKS!
Image annotations deliverable: Raphael is editing, but didn't check in yet
XML exampes still need to be converted to N3 and the graphs need to be redone
<mhausenb> volunteer to convert ...
<scribe> ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page: PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page: PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
<TobiasBuerger> \me Zakim, mute me
<scribe> ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page: PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: Melli and Paul to do their wiki page: PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document": PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
Raphael: will have a final version on the f2f meeting, so people need to read it before
<raphael> Interoperability issues: the key word of this XG !!!
<raphael> All use cases should be written with this goal in mind
<raphael> Later on, Vassilis will talk about how they will converge and be put together
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to review all use cases: PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis to review all use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
Oscar will join this group but needs to teach on Thursdays
Oscar will attend the f2f in Athens
<scribe> ACTION: Jacco to review the music use case: PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
<raphael> Comments of Oscar: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0020.html
<mhausenb> what is going on? topic?
<TobiasBuerger> I think it is also important to distinguish this use case from "classical" information retrieval
<raphael> Timeline: before the F2F, having a first draft of the Music Use case
<raphael> ACTION: Oscar, Jacco and Giovanni to make a first draft of the use case by December 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: Oscar and Jacco to draft more focussed use case before December 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
We updated the wiki, but made little progress on the solutions part
Raphael: we are looking at financial information in this use case
<mhausenb> how about IPTC?
Raphael: we are still in the process of getting good example data
<mhausenb> please define _good_
Raphael: We will try to make the deadline of 1st december
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael, Chris, Thierry: finish news UC draft before Dec 1st. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
Vassilis: maybe we should focus on small single interoperability problems, not cover all of them
<raphael> Michael, we are in the process of having more data for illustrating the problems (interoperability problems)
Melli sent regrets
<raphael> Comments of Suzanne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0017.html
<raphael> Comments of Rapahel: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0062.html
Vassilis: Also little progress on solution, will focus on one of three types of solution
<mhausenb> agree. still we should describe the problems in depth ...
<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis et al to provide 1st draft MPEG-7 UC before Dec 1. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
Susanne: in general this UC fits well with the interoperability focus of the XG
Most remarks were clarifications, ask how to do multiple domain ontologies using Hunter's ABC framework
<susanneBoll> yes
<susanneBoll> SusanneBoll
What about a general vocabulary for annotating photo's on the web
Susanne: We are working with a large photo provider, they need both high and low level features
And there is no common framework to do this on the web
Raphael: Suggest how to solve
this in say, the XMP way versus, say the PhotoRDF stuff.
... Would this make sense?
XMP=embedded, PhotoRDF=external
<raphael> Centralized versus Distributed for the host of the photos and of the metadata
<raphael> How to retrieve from a photo its metadata ?
<scribe> ACTION: Susanne extent draft Photo UC before Dec 1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
Ionnis is not present
Ioannis has troubles making the telephone confs
<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis to suggest skype to Ioannis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
<JeffP> W3C Zakim: +1.617.761.6200, +33.4.89.06.34.99 or +44.117.370.6152
<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis to contact Ioannis about future of this UC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
Massimo: not much progress last weeks
<scribe> ACTION: Massimo & Suzanne to have draft ready for review before December 1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
<scribe> ACTION: Tobias to send comments on Algorithm representation Use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action17]
<raphael> Draft tagging ontology
<raphael> Problems: not possible to use DC and SKOS in OWL DL ... will be OWL Full
George: facing some skoss related problems, mailed to relevant w3c lists
Raphael: SWD WG will developp and OWL version of SKOS
<raphael> OWL DL version !
<susanneBoll> I would like to add the following link
<susanneBoll> Inducing Ontology from Flickr Tags
George: developing prototype to show interoperability across tagging sites
<susanneBoll> http://www.rawsugar.com/www2006/22.pdf
<raphael> thx susanne
<raphael> we know about this paper .
<raphael> Jeff and Vassilis will review it Michael
<mhausenb> thanks!
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action18]
Semantic Web Activity lead Ivan Herman invited Raphael and Jeff to report back to the SW Coordination Group in January
Vassilis: I've put a first draft of the interoperability deliverable on the wiki
Raphael: The first point to discuss is the status of the Use Cases
<mhausenb> looks sensible to me, vassilis
<JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Semantic_Interoperability
(short version of) use cases should be integrated in the deliverable
<mhausenb> opt for linking to tools/voc/resources NOT including them
Tobias: We could also do it the other way around: first discuss the issues and than match those with relevant use cases
<TobiasBuerger> Jacco: yes we could do that
Vassilis: I think the issue should be the use cases issues
<mhausenb> and I support Tobias proposal
<raphael> Status of the Tools / Vocabularies / Resources
Sorry all, I have to leave - see you next time
<raphael> Raphael: good to publicize, good result of the XG
<raphael> ... to include or not in the Deliverable ...
<raphael> ... most likely not
<raphael> ... so section 7 might disapear
<mhausenb> a pointer would do IMHO
<raphael> Use Cases: core meat or not of the document ?
<mhausenb> definitly, but summarized
<raphael> Introduction of the document decomposed into 4 sub-sections
<raphael> 6.2 is the summary of all interoperability problems encountered during the vaious use cases
<raphael> Raphael: are we able to do that from now ?
<raphael> Vassilis: yes, it will help the authors of the use cases
<mhausenb> IMO later (after stable UC)
<raphael> ACTION: Vassilis to clarify the content of section 6 and 9 and ask to use case authors precised contributions, on the mailling list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action19]
<mhausenb> any news?
<raphael> please, all, fill the questionnaire !!!
<isti> bye !
<mhausenb> till next week, bye bye!
<raphael> Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC
<raphael> Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC
<raphael> Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC
<raphael> Chairq: Jeff, Raphael
<raphael> Chairs: Jeff, Raphael
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