<jallan> Scribe: JR

9.4 Restore viewport state history (P1)

JA: When written made sense...but now with AJAX etc...needs some work...
... e.g. AJAX updates lost

CL: Could have similar situations with HTML forms

JA: Had issues with that at our school
... Same prob with streaming lie content..can't go back.

lie=live

JR's comments from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006OctDec/0010.html

CL: 3 State variables have to match the last time content was modified

JA: With AJAX etc. there may be lots more states in the requence...
... So if constantly retreiveing hard to go back.

CL: So maybe needs to be a statement added about the content as well as the state

PP: What about first exclusion

JR: What about AJAX Word Processor?

All: Discussion...

PP: Firefox has Fastback...stores entire state of page whenever you leave page...lets you return back quickly...
... SUspect remembers location of focus.

JR: An aside: Weird that content can't disable back button

CL: Yeas same with wikis etc
... In IE if I'm editing wiki I press back, I lose entry

PP: In the background things are weird - some operations do a refresh from smae URL (page load) some do not

JA: May be complicated by config setting to always get newest stuff.

JR: In oS world, close gives Save dialog.
... Don't get that in browser Back

JA: 3 states do not refer to content added

JR: So what's the accessibility angle...

JA: Just tried in firefox to click mid-page link, followed it..
... ANd then came back...but was at the top.

JR: re access angle: don't think it is preserve content when back pushed since all people want this

CL, PP: Javascript can be involved...

since it can direct focus back to first link.

JR: Maybe we could be more clear about types of pages...
... 2 kinds of pages - plain page with usable URL, application page with non-reuable URL part of a process

JA: All we can have it do is try - but if content overrides base behaviour, ua can't do anything.
... We have agreement - browser has base functionalityto save the 3 states - but content can change this as can user config

JR: ok

JA: Also have comment with ex. 4 (If the user activates a broken link...)...
... Thinks this is doing more

JR: Agree

JA: What does HPR do?

CL: Could do this - but haven't.

JA: ex. 5 is just a subset

PP: None of new AJAX functions covered

CL: Some of these are browser functions.

PP: RPC remote procedure call?

JA: PP can you send a link to support more stuff we can add to 6 to make it more representative

<parente> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest

oops to add to 5

PP: But question is do we want to add AJAX stuff?

JA: Should we add this link to the references?

9.6 Show event handlers (P2)

CL: HPR did this

JA: Jaws will
... In 7
... WHat about this scenario - in new Firefox there is a built in form field spell checker...
... As soon as I press SPACE it checks last word - right click does pop up of context sensitive menu.

CL: But what triggered the function?

JR: This is handler in browser not content
... Javascript extensions are considered browser not content right?
... So how does Jaws work?

<cklaws> these are the input event handlers to check for: onclick, ondblclick, onmousedown, onmouseover, onmouseout, onfocus, onblur, onkeypress, onkeydown, and onkeyup

CL: This is what we do in HPR

JA: List automatically on element focus

CL: HPR doesn't list them all automatically
... Needed this menu to trigger things that keyboard can't usually do

JA: no meeting next week

bye

<jallan> Note: no meeting 10 November or 24 November

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