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<jallan> Scribe: JR
JA: When written made sense...but
now with AJAX etc...needs some work...
... e.g. AJAX updates lost
CL: Could have similar situations with HTML forms
JA: Had issues with that at our
school
... Same prob with streaming lie content..can't go back.
lie=live
JR's comments from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006OctDec/0010.html
CL: 3 State variables have to match the last time content was modified
JA: With AJAX etc. there may be
lots more states in the requence...
... So if constantly retreiveing hard to go back.
CL: So maybe needs to be a statement added about the content as well as the state
PP: What about first exclusion
JR: What about AJAX Word Processor?
All: Discussion...
PP: Firefox has Fastback...stores
entire state of page whenever you leave page...lets you return
back quickly...
... SUspect remembers location of focus.
JR: An aside: Weird that content can't disable back button
CL: Yeas same with wikis
etc
... In IE if I'm editing wiki I press back, I lose entry
PP: In the background things are weird - some operations do a refresh from smae URL (page load) some do not
JA: May be complicated by config setting to always get newest stuff.
JR: In oS world, close gives Save
dialog.
... Don't get that in browser Back
JA: 3 states do not refer to content added
JR: So what's the accessibility angle...
JA: Just tried in firefox to
click mid-page link, followed it..
... ANd then came back...but was at the top.
JR: re access angle: don't think it is preserve content when back pushed since all people want this
CL, PP: Javascript can be involved...
since it can direct focus back to first link.
JR: Maybe we could be more clear
about types of pages...
... 2 kinds of pages - plain page with usable URL, application
page with non-reuable URL part of a process
JA: All we can have it do is try
- but if content overrides base behaviour, ua can't do
anything.
... We have agreement - browser has base functionalityto save
the 3 states - but content can change this as can user
config
JR: ok
JA: Also have comment with ex. 4
(If the user activates a broken link...)...
... Thinks this is doing more
JR: Agree
JA: What does HPR do?
CL: Could do this - but haven't.
JA: ex. 5 is just a subset
PP: None of new AJAX functions covered
CL: Some of these are browser functions.
PP: RPC remote procedure call?
JA: PP can you send a link to support more stuff we can add to 6 to make it more representative
<parente> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest
oops to add to 5
PP: But question is do we want to add AJAX stuff?
JA: Should we add this link to the references?
CL: HPR did this
JA: Jaws will
... In 7
... WHat about this scenario - in new Firefox there is a built
in form field spell checker...
... As soon as I press SPACE it checks last word - right click
does pop up of context sensitive menu.
CL: But what triggered the function?
JR: This is handler in browser
not content
... Javascript extensions are considered browser not content
right?
... So how does Jaws work?
<cklaws> these are the input event handlers to check for: onclick, ondblclick, onmousedown, onmouseover, onmouseout, onfocus, onblur, onkeypress, onkeydown, and onkeyup
CL: This is what we do in HPR
JA: List automatically on element focus
CL: HPR doesn't list them all
automatically
... Needed this menu to trigger things that keyboard can't
usually do
JA: no meeting next week
bye
<jallan> Note: no meeting 10 November or 24 November
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